I agree, that's a great idea!

It's also something that the creators are asking for feedback on. Why is this even being discussed?

I was not looking to discuss this actually.  Just trying to explain why it may be hard for people to give feedback.

It's hard to tell who gives the RIGHT advice.

If a newbie takes the wrong advice well, his music is still going to sound like shit.

Most people just spam their tracks there for views and don't really care what other people think.

Maybe part of the solution is to put a reminder disclaimer that this forum is for us to work on the craft and learn from each other. This is probably not the place for anyone to get "discovered".

Saying that this isn't the place to be discovered wouldn't stop people from spamming their track anyway to get a couple more followers. We wouldn't need a disclaimer if people would be forced to leave quality feedback (aka addressing what the person posting the track specified in their post), or not get any feedback themselves. THAT would prevent spamming.

It's hard to tell who gives the RIGHT advice.

If a newbie takes the wrong advice well, his music is still going to sound like shit.

Most people just spam their tracks there for views and don't really care what other people think.

We could have a disclaimer that says to take everything with a grain a salt, as not everyone here is a professional, and that your creative decisions ultimately depend on you and whatever artistic aspirations you may have. But that still wouldn't help much against spam.

Quote from: sleepy on January 11, 2016, 04:30:39 am

Spam would go down drastically if we set up rules and everyone helped enforce them. You don't leave feedback? You don't get feedback, and your post gets deleted. Want good feedback? Leave good feedback and specify what qualities of your song you want to have evaluated. Simple stuff here.

I agree with that but the thing is, we would need the moderator to be there every hour... and they'll need to check, if he left feedback, if he follow the rule. (Means, we will need moderator that are there only for this section) Which is hard, because who actually want to do that, except few people ?

"Spam would go down drastically if we set up rules and everyone helped enforce them." We don't need any specific individual checking constantly for posts that haven't left feedback. If we did our part and reported anyone breaking the rules, and didn't leave feedback for those individuals, the mod's responsibilities would go down drastically.

Honestly I don't know why something like this has been taking so long to implement, or why everyone's treating it as something that has no solution. If we're a community we work together to help each other and uphold whatever standards and rules we set up. Click whores and spammers will never go away, but with just a very simple edit to the sticky on that board, and everyone doing their part to help out even just a tiny bit, it really would make a world of difference.

Quote from: 404indirect on January 09, 2016, 05:28:24 pm

Its all half arsed feedback (and it will continue to be so) because most of the people do not know what they are supposed to be listening for. Most people here have consumer taste in music and no deep understanding of music production...

I haven't given feedback/shared my music on this forum yet, but when I did so on Reddit, I found it hard to give good con crit. That wasn't because I was trying to half ass it so that more people would look at my stuff in return; it was genuinely because I didn't know what I should have been looking for. I can critique vocals and chord voicings, but I've only been at this for the past 7 months. I've improved a bit since I started but there are still things that I can't hear. I'm sure there are tons of people here that are in the same boat as me.

So now I ask this: How should we go about critiquing other people's work while we are inexperienced? I would love to give meaningful feedback to others. Obviously continuing to learn production will help, but what things do the experienced look out for that we need to know?

I don't answer this as an "expert", but when I post a track, the most helpful response is telling me how it made you feel. Did it get you pumped? Did it do nothing for you? Did you start thinking of your ex and a tear came to your eye? Did you suddenly want to get high? Did it make you want to punch your computer screen?

Imo, those kind of responses are more helpful than anything mix related. For me at least.

quote from UsernamesGiveMeAnxiety

" I don't answer this as an "expert", but when I post a track, the most helpful response is telling me how it made you feel."

This is what can fix the "Finished tracks" section!  Then there´s no need to critique the production unless it´s asked for.
+1

Quote from: Babasmas on January 11, 2016, 08:22:24 am

I agree with that but the thing is, we would need the moderator to be there every hour... and they'll need to check, if he left feedback, if he follow the rule. (Means, we will need moderator that are there only for this section) Which is hard, because who actually want to do that, except few people ?

"Spam would go down drastically if we set up rules and everyone helped enforce them." We don't need any specific individual checking constantly for posts that haven't left feedback. If we did our part and reported anyone breaking the rules, and didn't leave feedback for those individuals, the mod's responsibilities would go down drastically.

Honestly I don't know why something like this has been taking so long to implement, or why everyone's treating it as something that has no solution. If we're a community we work together to help each other and uphold whatever standards and rules we set up. Click whores and spammers will never go away, but with just a very simple edit to the sticky on that board, and everyone doing their part to help out even just a tiny bit, it really would make a world of difference.

True, but It didn't worked last time (edmDistrict) and it won't work this time...

SMF (the forum web software) has mods for polls http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?action=search;basic_search=poll It might take a little bit of coding, but it seems feasible that polls could be programmatically tracked to preclude people from creating a new topic in a board without exceeding a threshold (set number of completed polls in the board).

Also, couldn't polls be auto-created to simplify feedback? Like 1 - 10 for different categories... (an off the cuff list)
Instrument Selection
Arrangement
Overall Impact
Overall Production Quality

Another thought - the poll would be mandatory (for the reason mentioned above), and a written comment section would be available for feedback outside the scope of the poll.

Yeah, that could work, buy I just feel like keeping things simple is the way to go. The mods and admins or whatever are busy people and coding for a forum just takes too long. Especially if it hasn't been done already and you need to come up with a feature yourself. All we need is a simple edit to the sticky, maybe other stuff can be implemented later but I don't think there's a real need for it.

True, but It didn't worked last time (edmDistrict) and it won't work this time...

You're being negative for the sake of being negative. If you're only contribution after your point getting disproven is  essentially "it just won't work because I say so" then why even post? I don't know what happened to the edm district or whatever, but it works on Reddit and could definitely work here. I'm not saying it WILL work but definitively saying it WON'T work is just annoying and unprovable.