Question for the Point System: What about guys like me?

I have not been to school for music, so I dont know all the technical terms to the T. There may be times where I want to leave feedback but dont have confidence in the feedback Im giving since I have limited knowledge in production. But if I want to get feedback on what Im making, then Im going to have to leave feedback. I feel like my feedback may come across as generic or not very good in general. So I would fear that the moderator would remove my feedback and therefore I never get to post anything for review because my feedback score is low.

Just wanted to throw that out there. Not sure if you all have covered it yet or not.

Learning is free here. that's the actual point the the forum. You can learn things here.

Guys, I really believe most of you are super overthinking this.

Guys, I really believe most of you are super overthinking this.

That's what I'm saying...

With a 15 points limit, there would be like 7 tracks posted on this forum by now....   That´s the approximate number of users who have earned enough.  Many don´t give points when they receive feedback. Many don´t even give thanks when they receive feedback.  I would like to have the moderators weigh in on this discussion.

Yeah I agree. It's such an easy fix too, and it'd be a huge help. Just today I've seen like 3 posts on there by people who have all made less than 5 posts.

I have a couple things to say, I'll try and split up my posts as they are kind of mutually exclusive.

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First and foremost:

It is my personal opinion that trying to have these kinds of feedback threads DO NOT AND WILL NOT EVER WORK.
I find that in a lot of ways, it's kind of like /r/gonewild except for that there are no females and none of the guys are gay. Everyone wants to post their massive dick pic, but none of those people posting them want to look at other pictures of dicks. Maybe if they're like 17 inches long or some crazy shit but even then they just don't care.

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IN MY OPINIONA better way to go about having producers give/get feedback is in a live context, much like the one we used to have over at plug.dj and now currently have at sharcu.be.
The idea is that everyone gets in line to play one song. When it's your turn, you play your song, everyone listens to it at the same time and can comment, and then when your one song is done, you go to the end of the line.

This way, you get real-time feedback, you can interact with the people giving you feedback, and there is an incredibly minimal amount of bullshit feedback.

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Now, with that said, this doesn't really help our dilemma on this website, so I want to try and weigh in with my 2 cents about how we can try and improve it as a relatively small, tight-knit community of producers.

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I believe the best way to get people to post feedback is to not allow someone to start a new thread in the feedback section unless they have posted a minimum of three comments in the feedback section. Shouldn't be terribly mind-boggling to code, and in order to fight shitty feedback (which is pretty much always going to be a thing), you require those comments to contain at least fifteen words.

Obviously this wouldn't completely remove spam (people could always just copy/paste a word ten times), but if it was compounded with a system where users could flag comments as spam, you could really keep spam at a minimum since it's very obvious when someone is insincere with ten words. To further streamline the process for mods, you could say that if 5 different people flag it as spam then it is automatically removed. I don't think 5 is too low of a number because really what motivation is there for someone to want to remove someone's comments?

I find that in a lot of ways, it's kind of like /r/gonewild except for that there are no females and none of the guys are gay. Everyone wants to post their massive dick pic, but none of those people posting them want to look at other pictures of dicks. Maybe if they're like 17 inches long or some crazy shit but even then they just don't care.

Can you believe this is the best explanation I have ever read?

Why dont we just delete the "Finished Tracks" subforum

Quote from: gd4223 on January 15, 2016, 12:54:21 am

Question for the Point System: What about guys like me?

I have not been to school for music, so I dont know all the technical terms to the T. There may be times where I want to leave feedback but dont have confidence in the feedback Im giving since I have limited knowledge in production. But if I want to get feedback on what Im making, then Im going to have to leave feedback. I feel like my feedback may come across as generic or not very good in general. So I would fear that the moderator would remove my feedback and therefore I never get to post anything for review because my feedback score is low.

Just wanted to throw that out there. Not sure if you all have covered it yet or not.

Yeah this came up already, here's what I replied:

Quote from: sleepy on January 13, 2016, 04:17:02 am

In the last track I posted I asked the forum to get feedback on my sound design and arrangement, as well as how the track made them feel. If you don't have whole lot of experience with music, then at the very least you're a human with emotions. Emotional feedback is probably just as important as any technical feedback. As long as you're sincere and openly show that you're trying to give quality feedback, I don't think there should be a problem.

Does that make sense?

Thank you Sleepy! Makes perfect sense. I can definitely do that.

I agree with this. It is not hard to write a mod for that section. You must post twice in that section before each thread can be made.