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I use logic as well.

The way I stutter/gate vocals is by doing it manually with the audio file.

If you're after that glitchy effect then maybe try using glitch2 or effectrix.

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Mixing/Mastering / Equalization Of Lead Layers
« on: March 02, 2016, 02:55:06 am »
How do you guys generally equalize your lead layers? Do you keep your layers within the same frequency range or do you equalize them so that the layers exist in separate frequency ranges?

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As overplayed as Ed is I actually haven't heard that song you linked. :P I must be living under a rock. I agree that the lyrics in Stan just take me onto the biggest feels trip. More so than Dylans only due to the intensity of the lyrics. The Xylo is very direct which is something I think is valuable when it comes to lyrics. Very easy to understand.

One thing about hiphop in general I think is that due to the lack of a melody the clarity of the lyrics maintain an even greater importance.

Then again complexity can be interesting as well. Like in this Jazz-hop track by Uyama Hiroto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkafAB-0SfQ

After reading everyones posts I think It would be fair to say that clarity and relatability are two factors that are of crucial importance when it comes to lyric-writing.


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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Most Awkward Set of Influences
« on: March 02, 2016, 01:48:58 am »
+1 to Frank Zappa  ;D

Steve Vai, Nujabes, Joe Hisaishi, Plini, Sithu Aye, Nobuo Uematsu, and Ryuichi Sakamoto are some artists outside of electronic music that really influence the way I write and are relatively weird depending on the listener.

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WIPs / Re: Progressive House Track - Looking For Feedback
« on: March 01, 2016, 10:07:43 pm »
Reaallllyyyy dig the breakdown. It is fantastic musically. I would definitely add more to it. More layers. More sounds. Add a melody for a hook and maybe an arpeggiator as well to add some life / depth. The vocals could pop more as well. My biggest suggestion for that would be to look into parallel processing. You can achieve amazing things when you add a few quiet but extreme layers to something like a vocal track. Compress the fuck out of one layer and add in just a little bit of it. Add tons of reverb but fade it in and out to add space. You've got a lot of potential with this on Lydian. Happy to see you making progress with your musical endeavors :)

Thanks for listening Klang. :) I've listened to your works on soundcloud and really enjoyed everything that I heard as well. I was scratching my head wondering how you managed to get so good in such a short amount of time. I really dig that "spacey" atmosphere you manage to create in a lot of your tracks. It's a similar sound that I'm trying to aim for but I'm still a work in progress.

I just came up with the main hook 30 minutes ago. Can't wait to get it recorded and to finally give a name to the track. :)

I'm not to familiar with parallel processing on vocals. I've used it on some synths for things like parallel compression or parallel eqing but never really experimented enough with it admittingly. I haven't quite yet figured out what else I'm going to add to the breakdown. It definitely sounds empty and needs more effects/ambience but right now I'm just trying to finish up with the arrangement. Once I revisit the breakdown I'm definitely going to add in some more elements.

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WIPs / Re: New Song, New(ish) Producer looking for some feedback!
« on: March 01, 2016, 04:00:17 am »
The square waves at 0:26 are a bit too loud.

I'm with marrow on the drums. They seem to be not balanced well enough with the synths.

I found the Yoshi sample to be quite hilarious at 1:08. xD

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Mixing is not my strong point so I will say this.

I'm absolutely loving the spacey atmosphere of this track. Musically it's very pretty. I didn't find anything off sounding during the intro. It would sound absolutely GREAT with vocals.

I think you have great taste. :)


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WIPs / Re: Progressive House Track - Looking For Feedback
« on: February 29, 2016, 08:10:26 pm »
The breakdown is beautiful musically. Would be cool to hear it with something like a chamber orchestra, but that might be too expensive! And you're on the right track with the chorus as well.

I have a few comments regarding mostly sounds:
- Might be cool if the "banjo" evolved somehow during the intro - a filter sweep or something
- The click of the kick is too loud, sounds almost like the metronome was left on!
- Ride sounds toyish, I would change that sample (check out http://www.michaelkingston.fi/kingstondrums/easyrider.html), maybe give some life to it by varying velocities (and samples maybe), and also pan it more to one side, and maybe add reverb.
- The one-note riser is not very effective to me, maybe some FM riser might be better. Or sidechaining it to the kick and adjusting the panning might also help. Now it just sounds like a lead that's never in tune!
- That boom kick in breakdown should be louder
- The breakdown needs more layers/pads/atmospheric stuff to keep it interesting. The string sound alone sounds a bit dull.

Would like to hear a louder version next time, so that I don't have to crank my volume knob :P

Thanks so much Arktopolis for your feedback. :)

I've lowered the transient on the click drum since I posted this up a few days ago. I was also concerned about it being too loud. The funny thing is that the "banjo" is actually a synth but now that you mention it the sound does seem like a needs a bit more variation. I agree with the boom kick as well being too quiet. I actually added ambience/atmosphere into the breakdown since I've posted this as well. :D

I should also note that there is going to be more vocals. I only did a quick take to see whether my sisters vocals would be right for the track. :O

As far as the ride goes the reason why it might sound toyish is because like you said there's not any variation in velocity and no panning so it has that "red robin" effect. Maybe a little bit of reverb will help it blend in more with the mix though.

The riser isn't sidechained atm so maybe I'll do that and see how it affects the mix.


I took off the mastering chain before I uploaded this which is why it's to quiet so sorry for making you crank your volume knob.. :P

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Mind if I browse to different genere for this? :)
I LOVE lyrics by this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLSFAjh0w74, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFNsKNCf_H8
I love how he raps about stuff he really lives through. So open. I think music in general lacks this a lot.
Imho great lyris is relatable. When someone else can find themselfs in those lines. :)

I agree that great lyrics are often relatable. ^.^ I also found the ones in that song to be quite pretty on paper.

"And the best fears of our lives
Can all come true if we let them
When all our heroes have died
And we all become legends
The best fears of our lives will disappear when it’s time
But I’ll still love you when your parents die
And when my parents die
Yeah ill still love you when our parents die"

One thing that I've been thinking about is the use of "themes" within lyrics. I've often noticed the theme of the song is found in the chorus which makes it easier I think to write for. Making the intros, verses, and bridges connect though to the chorus seem to be a bit more of a doozy for me.

Another think that I've noticed is that there are often different types of lyrics as far as what there goal is. Some lyrics focus on more of a story telling perspective like the Dylan Owen song while other seem to be based around a phrase like this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLSFAjh0w74

It really shows that lyrics can be extremely diverse as far as how they're written. Sometimes lyrics don't even have necessarily make sense! Some of the old system of a down songs I used to listen literally sure seem that way like this one.

http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-e-a-i-a-i-o-lyrics-system-of-a-down.html

I really like the lyrics in madeons nonsense. These ones a lot.

And don't you think that I'm a runner
I be coming with my guns up
Shooting at the moon to bring the sun up

0:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTE_W5SMP0Q

I just think that these lyrics are so unique as in I've never really heard them in any other song. I think that's something that I like to look for in my own lyrics.

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Hi guys. :) Tonight I'm here with a few questions regarding lyric writing.

I'm curious about what do you guys think makes great lyrics? Also, if there are any of you out there who write your own lyrics what is your lyric writing process? Does poetry make you better at writing lyrics or do you think they're related in any way?

I write lyrics every now and then for my sister to sing over my music and I haven't been doing it long enough to really define my taste. I have noticed certain "cliches" that I tend to gravitate to or words that I tend to overuse. Often when I catch myself using these phrases I'll try to think of something else.

One thing that I've noticed is that I really enjoy lyrics that create some type of a scenery to the track. One of the lines I've written go something like this...

Shooting stars light up the night.
They'll follow you forever
Disappear into the sky
Make a wish across the earth.

What do you enjoy in your lyrics?

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: The most important thing (rant)
« on: February 29, 2016, 04:20:21 am »
Good points nadav.  :) Not in the mood to finish this I'll just add in that you're absolutely right..  ;)

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: The most important thing (rant)
« on: February 29, 2016, 03:32:41 am »
Ughh... my head hurts. I can't help it Zauzau if I misinterpret your posts. They always have a condescending tone to them when I read them.  :'(

I didn't think it was possible for perfect pitch to be developed which is why I just decided to go with "born". I thought that you had to be born with it. I tried taking a perfect pitch course once from David Lucas Burge and failed miserably. I've never heard of anyone "developing' perfect pitch.

Yes I take things literally... Maybe I'll try a less science and more tits approach next time.

Once again... I'm not going to get into the whole "which instrument/genre/production" is harder argument. It's too much work and it's starting to give me a headache.

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So yeah, if you haven't taught drums, then you really shouldn't be talking about "how easy" it is as if you have taught them or have encountered a true beginner before.

I said in the beginning of that post quite clearly....

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In that case I will most likely not be the one to persuade you. I can only speak from my own experience as a multi-instrumentalist.

I found picking up drums to be simple as a beginner. But yes you are right not everyone is me.

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Except the 50 track requirement. Make that 100. I still stand by that. Come on man, I don't know why you can't seem to grasp this idea, when it's been mentioned so many times before, by people much more successful than you and I. It's a proven method for progress. You HAVE to make a lot of tracks when you're starting out, and you will suck in the beginning. You will suck a lot over and over again, but with every track you finish, you start to suck less. Do I really need to post that Ira Glass video yet again, or the NGHTMRE one?

It's not that I don't grasp the idea zauzau.... I literally have a poster of that in my room so I can see it everyday I wake up in the morning...



Yesterday I listened to the first track that I made ever and I compared it to the one that I'm working on right now. I'm light years better than I was from that first track. I'm not against finishing tracks. I'm trying real hard to finish the one I'm working on right now. (25hours in according to projecttimer) I just don't think that there needs to be a "finished track requirement" in order to ask for feedback... Like seriously of all the people who post in the "finished track section" how many people do you honestly think have finished 100 tracks? That's more than Seven Lions and Madeons discography combined...

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Oh, and for the record, I am not a 'bro'. I'm actually a lady. But you guys can keep calling me that though!

 ??? Okay you know what now I'm really done with you zauzau.




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You Might Like... / Re: Seven Lions - A Way To Say Goodbye feat. Sombear
« on: February 29, 2016, 01:34:29 am »
Him producing that track can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxrsEN7o74M

Thanks for that link! :D Enjoyed watching the video.

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: The most important thing (rant)
« on: February 29, 2016, 01:31:01 am »
Zau.. I agree that ear training is important. The point of mentioning my story was to show that just because you play an instrument doesn't mean that you have good ears. It's playing by ear, transcribing, active listening, improvising, music theory and etc... that will help someone develop their ears.

What annoys me is that music theory is what helped me develop my ears the most and then you mention this...

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If you are reading this and happen to fall within the category of people I mentioned, please stop whatever you're doing, yes, even stop reading that music theory book you're reading.

I'm not going to bother with the "which genre of music is more difficult on a beginner level" thing. I haven't taught drums. I have however taught guitar and piano. From my experience of once being a beginner... dance music production is just harder. 

Also... I never interpreted your thread as this...

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some people should just give up, because they lack "musical ability" at all (represented as "hearing what they're doing"), then I strongly disagree
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Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

What I have interpreted your thread as is a highly annoying way of saying "work on your ears".

All of the "sad state of music" "drop music theory" "I don't check out beginners" "50 track feedback requirement" "downloading daws is unfair" is what makes reading your post make me want to pull my hair out.

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: The most important thing (rant)
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:22:48 pm »
"Professional level" implies high barriers to entry. I thought the OP was about what's happening at the entry level.

EDM does have exceptionally low barriers to entry--lower than pop (which typically requires singing), or rock or jazz (which require owning and playing an instrument, the former at a relatively high level just to participate).

I apologize in that case. You're right in that Zau was specifically referring to beginners without any ear training. 

I still don't really agree though. If we're talking about a beginner level then you can teach a guitar player a power chord and a drummer a basic 4/4 rock beat with the bassist playing the root and they can make music that sounds decent. In pop you can teach someone to play 4 chords of a piano and sing over it and they will sound decent.

Whereas in EDM you can have all those going on at the same time and still have music that sounds like garbage.

Not only that but the instrumentations in rock or pop are often pretty established. You have  a bass, guitar, piano, vocalist, and drums.

Now in EDM you have square waves, saw waves, sine waves, triangle waves, plucks, strings, guitars, piano, bass, claps, reverse crashes, ambience, special FX, wobble basses, growl basses, and the list goes on...

I can't speak much for jazz because it isn't my forte (Although I love the time signatures & harmony) but EDM takes a lot more work at a beginner level to not sound like garbage.

I also forgot to mention that DAW's, samples, and plugins need to be purchased the same way as instruments. I can buy Logic Pro X for the same price that I can a beginner guitar, or a bass. (Leaving piano's out of this cause those things are expensive af.)

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