i can point you in the right direction, you have to learn from people who are better than you

james dymond has uplifting trance tutorials

Thanks for the reply.
I have been learning music over 2 years and a half at this point, and i would say i am now fine with overall flow, progression, and okay sound (even though i need to be better as life long term for sure), but as i compare my music to commercial songs out there (i do k-pop music btw), i definitely see how overall tone they deliver is  'more fit to the genre and the typical market' and ' typical sounds that many listeners have heard so they won't bother' .
And i really think i need to be around that 'objectivity' especially i want to do 'pop music' or 'k-pop'. I know how most of EDM producers want to sound 'differenet' so they are kinda against me doing this 'copying' (even though i still think they still need some objectivity')
I try to begin with copying the exact same drum tone and then instrument overall referencing simple instrumental musics out there first no matter how long takes. Do u think this is what i need for now to upgrade my sound to the commercial level?

if you want to make commercial music, then you should study radio/pop history etc and look at how they were created, which you are doing already i think, maybe try study the mind of red one, the producer of lady gaga, etc  pop follows a structure like verse bridge chorus, etc edm isnt too different in some cases

yes we have to sound different because a lot of stuff has been repeated, but new sounds need to be brought to the table

its normal to copy and imitate because everyone looks each each other but no plagarism

you are on the right path but sooner or later you will want to make an identity for yourself to stand out from the others

Haha dammit I keep hearing so many people praise Spire, but when I open it up and see the layout my brain just turns off. It reminds me of FabFilter's synth...which I can't remember the name of right now. Serum just makes me smile; little lights and graphics bouncing everywhere, fx rack like Guitar Rig-it feels like a synth command center haha.

yeah the GUI of serum is very modern and attractive, sometimes i think that can be a difference in your mood
I think i'll have a go on serum soon

wil.i.am stole mat zo and arty's track rebound a couple of years ago

he stole everything and had chris brown sing over it lol

I've found that Serum is the best for creating simple bass shots. I used Spire before, and it was always tough to get that "grit".

A good way to get that grit is to use aggressive distortion.

ahh to get grit in spire, you have to use the shaper FX, tube etc, but you have to make good sound first before applying FX, yeah its the distortion FX in synths to get grit, i think massive, serum and spire are good for bass

whoops misread thought he had a guitar lol

Keep it simple, work hard and have fun

you have to believe in your work but also be critical/practical in your work, if its not good enough then its not good enough, if its great then well done but try and get a balance

and sometimes you have to be happy with what you have made or done so you can move forward