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Sound Design / Re: presets vs sound design
« on: March 06, 2016, 08:33:59 pm »
For a professional perspective (remember it's from twitter, so it goes chronologically from bottom to top):


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Sound Design / Re: presets vs sound design
« on: February 29, 2016, 06:20:16 pm »
twerking the presets

Well, I suppose that's one way to get a unique booty bass.

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: The most important thing (rant)
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:14:15 pm »
I'm not arguing against understanding - I'm arguing against promoting the idea that the music industry (which includes EDM) is in any way "fair". Zau brought up how "anyone with a computer can download a DAW and 'make a track'" and how they don't think it's fair. I don't want people to expect a fair shake when it comes to being successful, because that's setting them up for failure.

Success is as much about the opportunities you are given (by privileged circumstances or by creating them yourself) as it is the skills and experience you have to help you achieve your goal. Sometimes it's actually more important. If you spend too much of your time worrying about how people who aren't as good as you (which is entirely subjective) are doing as well as/better than you, or in some way cheating the system/devaluing your craft, you'll get jaded and cynical and burn yourself out - leading to giant rants like this that probably make it harder for the person going through it to continue following their passions. Not speaking for Zau in any way, but it would be completely understandable to feel deflated after thinking about this sorta stuff.

In my opinion, it's better to focus on trying to find your niche, and just think about how you can make it as an artist without caring what other musicians do. Again, ear training is going to be super useful and prioritizing it will make your life so much easier in the long run so the original point Zau was making I'm on board with, but I can tell you from experience you don't need it to DJ for a bunch of intoxicated people, and there are genres/tracks that won't care too much about musicality at all. Fans don't care as much about that stuff, and we can't forget that while we spend so much time surrounded by other people who care just as much as we do. Most of them won't even notice.

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: The most important thing (rant)
« on: February 28, 2016, 03:55:16 pm »
If you're worried about your integrity or your career as a musician being devalued because people don't know the same amount of stuff as you and are achieving similar results, then clearly they figured out something you hadn't, and you're probably not paying enough attention to the music industry.

Armin Van Buuren uses ghost producers, I probably know almost as much about how FM synthesis works as Skrillex, and I'm not even moving outside of dance music with those examples. Do we wanna start talking about Bieber?

Ear training is incredibly important, and I'm 100% with you on recommending that everyone learn it. I agree that everyone should learn it, because it's an invaluable skill and makes your life so much easier. But trying to make this into "If you're not making money off of music you can't understand what it's like to have people also making money off music that DIDN'T WORK AS HARD AS ME!!!!!" just comes off bad.

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Sound Design / Re: presets vs sound design
« on: February 28, 2016, 03:42:31 pm »
It is definitely good to do both and neither is inherently a bad choice - there are seriously talented professional who use presets and there are others who make all their stuff from scratch. What's important is making it easier for you. Some people find it easier to start with an initialized patch and build their sound according to their ears and desires, and others scroll through presets for inspiration then tweak and layer.

I think when you're just starting out, you should be fully open to presets - it's gonna be harder to learn how to finish a song than it will be to build a cool synth lead. Teach yourself how to make your ideas conform to the tools you have, so you don't get frustrated at any failures and get discouraged from making more music. You can still lean sound design and create patches, but I'd make that its own exercise: Pick a day out of the week to only make patches, and save a fuckton of your own presets for later.

Keep in mind Laidback Luke only just started learning FM synthesis this month, and I bet half this forum knows more about how it works than he does. It's not a set path either way!

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Don't feed the troll.

Whoops, forgot to take my own advice.

Anyways, just to add another point I think is important - make sure whatever route you go, write a plan at least 6 months (or 1-2 semesters) in advance. You should know what you're doing from today until August, and by then you should know what you're doing until this time next year. If you're being autodidactic, write out your own learning objectives and break them down into a personal syllabus. If you're attending one of the EDM schools or some sort of music production/engineering program or major, try to get your entire degree planned out before your second semester's over and just update/change it as you go along.

I know my answers are really not giving a specific route, but I think that's something you should discover for yourself and not try to take people's opinions as dogma (even mine!). I had a bunch of friends tell me not to go to school for music production if I wanted to be a DJ, but since I decided to check out my school's music program anyways I found another career path that I hadn't even considered before. At the same time, there have been kids in my classes who definitely should not have come to the school. 

It's all gonna be about what you think you need, and how you think you can best get it. Do a lot of research on both sides, and see what happens!

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If you need to explain to people why you're special, chances are you're not.  ;) Don't forget, actions speak louder than words, and good music speaks louder than a forum post.

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Once again, just ignore half of what Nadav says - Don't feed the troll.

I'm actually going to an art school for music - just not for EDM stuff. The program I'm enrolled in focuses mostly on production and composition for film and TV, and lets you choose scoring or engineering and sound design. It's an incredible program and the school has a ton of resources for students, but if you just wanna make beats or get signed to Spinnin' I'd consider this overkill.

Outside of having the accelerated learning curve from going through a guided course and associating with other musicians, the big benefit to attending a music program is the ability to network: with teachers (who work in the industry), people who come visit the school, and other students who might become successful during or after their time at school. That's the real dirty secret, honestly. A bunch of kids don't even graduate, because they get hired or get enough contacts to strike out on their own. A Bachelor's of Fine Arts is mostly useless as a degree.

No amount of schooling is going to turn you from a shitty artist to a good one - it's a matter of how much work you put in and how many contacts you make that can help you out. If you can manage all of that without going to a school, I'd consider that preferable. Schools like these are dangerous even when they're legitimate, because they make promises about what you'll achieve without informing you of what you'll realistically have to do to achieve it. So I'd look at one of those shorter programs or individual classes. I've heard good things about the ICON collective, and you could check out Point Blank London or Dubspot. You'll be getting the kind of specialized education you want without blowing tens of thousands of dollars to get a degree you won't even need.

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The left brain/right brain thing is actually a myth. We use both parts of our brain for all sorts of tasks, and there is no one specific activity regulated to one half of the brain - just a bunch of different smaller tasks ruled by specific sections of our brain that span both halves. Just google "Left brain right brain myth" for a dozen different articles on it (Same for the Meyers-Briggs personality test, by the way. You're not an ENFP or an INFJ, you're just a person).

We all want to have some simple answer to tell us what category of life we fit in, what kind of person we are, how we interact with people, what our life goals will be, and everything about our existence. It sucks to be ignorant, and we'd rather fit in a box than deal with ambiguity. It's easy to apply labels to everything so you can just go about your day, it's hard to analyze how complex and deep every individual human being's life and experiences have been. I can assure you if you had asked me ten years ago when I was about to graduate high school what I'd be doing with my life, "electronic dance music producer" was nowhere on that list. Keep yourself open and don't trust anyone to try and say you are one thing or you will always be one thing.

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: No Music Background...Thoughts?
« on: February 20, 2016, 08:14:15 pm »
Basically: Theory is useful, it helps some people more than others, it applies to different people's workflow at different levels of importance, and it all comes down to whatever music you personally want to make! I argue in favor of learning theory because it does not hurt to have the knowledge, and when you're on a forum full of novice musicians it is probably not a good idea to discourage them from learning that can explain how most of the music we've heard for most of our lives (unless of course you grew up in a country using non-western theory) works.

If you're making minimal techno or the bro-eist of dubstep, I doubt you'll be needing much music theory. If you're making some big anthemic trance song with a huge epic chord progression that brings tears to the saucer-pupil'd eyes of a bunch of festival goers? I think having a more comprehensive understanding of harmony would come into play - but at the same time, it's not actually necessary. It just saves you a ton of time that would otherwise be spent moving MIDI notes around until it works.

Think about what you want to get out of your music. Analyze a bunch of songs that sound like the music you wanna make. How much theory do they use in their songs? Like Mat said, everyone's a professional music listener.

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Here's my routine for the periods between semesters when I have whole day chunks I can set aside for a specific regiment of practice or study. The general format is two days of practice and experimentation, two days of composition and production. Allow yourself at least an hour for any one kind of activity (I might start shifting the routine I wrote down after this current semester ends to better reflect that as well), and try to let yourself wear different hats at different times. I try to keep the sort of note taking and critical analysis practice separate from the more free roaming experiential practice, just like I try to keep my engineering separate from my songwriting.

The most important things to remember are direction and persistence: If you're not doing it regularly you're gonna forget stuff and lose muscle memory and you'll keep wasting time relearning stuff instead of learning new stuff, and if you don't have some sort of routine or syllabus to follow along you'll end up feeling discouraged by just how much stuff you don't know. The more you break stuff down into smaller steps that lead to a greater whole, the easier the process becomes - it just becomes even more boring and pedantic because you're practicing thirty simple tasks instead of five extremely difficult ones. So stay focused and eventually whatever you were working at will seem as easy as breathing.

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Your inspiration for your name
« on: February 20, 2016, 07:40:19 pm »
I'm Jewish, and it's a word in Hebrew that means "a study of morals and self-discipline."

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Of all the for profit colleges, Full Sail is one of the worst. If you're really interested in pursuing a structured education in electronic music production, I'd look into one of the newer EDM-focused places like Icon or Point Blank. They do on-site and online classes, and will get you people who are explicitly into what you're into and not just "music". You don't wanna pay a full college tuition for that type of stuff, since most of it is just experience-based.

The main reason to go to a school for music is if you want a career in the industry at large, and even then very few schools will provide you with the most important tool you already clearly know you need - networking. I'm currently going to a school to study composition for visual media, and most of the stuff I'm learning through my classes could have been self-taught, to be perfectly honest. The education provides a structure to make things to faster and more efficiently, but my main focus is how most of my teachers are still inside (or recently out of) the film or video game industry and how there are students in non-music majors like animation and motion pictures that my school encourages collaborating with. So I'm developing a portfolio while marketing myself to possible future clients.

Without that, I'd be wasting my money.

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