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to that end, here are some thoughts re: the examples you gave, because ive never analyzed music before and i wanna try it haha. lydian please come thru and wreck me, ur way better at this.

I'm far too lazy. My days of analyzing chord progressions are far past me.

Trust your own word.  ;)

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Study diatonic harmony.

Triads (3 notes)
Seventh Chords (4 notes)
Extended Chords (5-7 notes)
Borrowed Chords (Chords from a parallel key)
Inversions (Chords played in a different voicing)
Voice Leading (The smooth translation of the notes between chords)

Use google.  These should point you in the general direction though.

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Knowledge Resources
« on: July 12, 2016, 05:59:18 pm »
the one's paid for or on youtube?

The paid ones. (Although I know nothing about the free ones)

For Cymatics it was specifically their "ableton projects collection." They have a collection of 30 songs in ableton which you can pretty much analyze/reverse engineer. Future Bass, Dubstep, and Trap I believe were the genres.

I don't even use Ableton but you can still view the files with the demo version of the software. It was basically a "Learn by Observing" type of thing. When you have 30 finished project files it's really easy to analyze a track vs just listening to the mp3. This type of analysis of finished project files I feel helped me out.

Also... I forgot to include Mix With The Masters. It's also paid but it's basically mixing tutorials from the worlds greatest mix engineers. It's not so much EDM based but the principles still apply across genres.

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Knowledge Resources
« on: July 12, 2016, 06:31:36 am »
The biggest challenge of learning how to produce I think is that once you've learned the basics it becomes very hard to find what you're looking for via tutorial videos.


I've found some of the EDMprod/Cymatics courses to be valuable.

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No but my cousin has had his song stolen on beatport because he put it up on soundcloud and someone tried using it as a preview for their sample pack. (Which was obviously a false preview because none of the samples in the sample pack were used from my cousins track. )



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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« on: July 07, 2016, 01:04:33 am »
We gotta work with what we've got. And for some of us that isn't a whole lot I think is what he's trying to say.  ::)

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« on: July 06, 2016, 09:35:58 pm »
who cares

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Try doing things the opposite. Instead of how do you choose your melodic synth relative to your bassline the question can be how do you choose your bassline relative to your melodic synth?

The reason why I say that is because I choose my bassline AFTER I write my melodic material. The way I choose my bassline is simple cause the majority of the time it's just a simple sine wave and note wise it just follows the root note of the harmony.

I divide my bass layers like this.

1. Subbass. (Sine Wave)
2. Bass (Sine wave)
3. Upper Bass (anything)

The reason why I use a sine wave for my two bottom layers is because for the most part every sound wave below 200hz pretty much sounds the same when you filter out all the high end. The upper bass is where all the variation comes from. Basically to me it's the high end of a bass sound (200hz+) that gives it a unique characteristic. Everything else below that just sounds the same.

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how do you pick a melodic sound / chord sounds based off that?

I don't usually write my bassline first but if I were to do so then the answer would just be experimentation. There are so many different combinations of instrumentations that you can use. (Cello, Piano, Guitar) for example or (saw pluck, detuned square pad, sine bass). For the most part the two bottom layers of a bass sound (below 200hz) blend well with just about anything. Start with just using those two layers to fill out the low frequencies and then choose your lead sounds. Once you got things sounding nice then maybe you can go back and experiment with the upper bass layer.

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do you re synthesize the sound so its basically the same sound as the bassline with slightly different qualities so it sounds concise?

Sometimes I do actually. When you use the same sound but in a higher octave register it's almost like it comes from the same instrument family  because they share the same characteristics. (Cellos to Violins) Naturally things blend pretty well.

I wouldn't get too stuck on that though cause you don't need to use the same sound in the bass as you do in the leads. Anything goes. Just experiment with different instrumentations until you find a combination that you really dig and make it part of your signature style. Pretty soon people will be on youtube with HOWTO videos in massive on how to make a "r3mington lead stab"

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: Layers of a song - explanation?
« on: June 28, 2016, 07:32:30 am »
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but can anyone explain to me why most songs include stabs and what the premise is behind them?

I never think in terms of "stabs" so I can't really say.

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it seems as when you only have these 5 layers everything is bland.

If you have all of these 5 layers and your music still sounds bland then maybe you're not doing something correctly? Can you be a little more specific than "bland?"

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how can i fill empty space with melodic / harmonic types of sounds. what belongs in that empty space?

If you're having problems with your mixes sounding empty then perhaps you're not eq'ing things correctly or you're using too little elements? Although I'm a bit at a loss for a cause since the once you listed up there actually look pretty good.

Here's my list of elements.

1. Bass (Takes up bass region obviously)
2. Leads/Melody (Takes up mid region and some highs)
3. Harmony (Takes up mid region and some highs)
4. Drums (Takes up bass, mid, and highs)
5. FX/Ambience (Creates atmosphere)
6. Vocals (Takes up mids and some highs)

Pretty much the same as yours. The Harmony & Leads usually go underneath the same bus. 

Also, don't forget fills. Idk if that's what you're music is missing but basically every single 8 to 16 bars or so try adding in some type of fill. It makes it so that things don't get so repetitive. If you've listened to rock music then try to think like a drummer in the sense that they add fills every now and then for variation.

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For the longest time I refused to update to Logic Pro X. I started learning on Logic Pro 9 and Logic Pro X just felt so different for some reason even though it was the same software. I eventually updated only because when I updated my mac to capitan Logic Pro 9 stopped working.  :'(

I'm glad I made the update though because not only is the GUI a hell of a lot nicer but there are some features in logic pro X that you can't use in logic pro 9. (At least not to my awareness)

But yeah it's just hard moving on to something different especially when you're used to a certain workflow. Also it doesn't help that there are SIGNIFICANTLY less track color options in Logic Pro X which annoyed the hell out of me for a really long time.

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maybe they're using 32 bit plugins and don't know about 32 lives

This one as well is HUGE. ^^^ You can't run 32 bit plugins in Logic Pro X without a 32bit>64bit wrapper like 32 lives. (Bye bye Sylenth) I think sylenth might have a 64 bit version now but this seriously prevented me from changing for a really long time until I found out about 32 lives.

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Eidolons is my favorite this time around. ;)

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It's hard to give any real advice without knowing the real situation in depth.

All I can say is that this has happened to me plenty of times and that it's normal. ESPECIALLY when I was in post adolescence (God what a terrible stage of life)

If you feel burned out then honestly sometimes a long break is necessary. If music is making you feel miserable then maybe it's time to reevaluate what it is that you're doing and whether or not it's what you want to be spending most of your time on. There are so many other things you can do aside from just music. Maybe right now it would be best to spend time on those other things just for the moment. You're very young and have a long road ahead of you.

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Inspiration = Zedd

Background is been listening to electronic music since I was born cause my dad would DJ in his garage old school Above & Beyond, Kaskade, and Armin Van Buuren. Never really found a passion for it until I was 16. Before then I started playing guitar at 12 and studied music/practiced all day when I came back from school and during the summer. Taught myself music theory and ear training so that my musical foundation was incredibly solid at age 15. Eventually gave up on my dream of becoming a guitar virtuoso and found myself resonating a lot more with the recent innovation in the electronic music community. Started producing/composing when I turned 16 1/2 but never took it too seriously. Taught myself bass, piano, & drums along the way to at least an intermediate level because I was confused about whether I wanted to make rock or electronic music. Finally decided somewhere around the same time that I wanted to learn how to DJ and I picked it up quickly because of the musical background + my dad was my teacher and has been doing this for 30+ years. Now I just turned 19 and I'm just here trying to find my identity as an artist and continuing to fine tune my chops everyday as a college student.

But you guy's don't care about any of that. :)

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Creativity and Learning
« on: June 17, 2016, 03:21:13 am »
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where has everyone learned what they've learned?

Thousands of hours behind a DAW, Instrument, Computer, Book, or Highschool band. Learning via BOTH trial and error and watching/talking to other people.

Music theory is highly accessible on the internet. Learning an instrument may take a little bit of a financial investment. Training all the individual components necessary to become competent in the field of music takes years.

Just start off with copying other people. Whether it's learning an instrument or learning to produce. Identify everything that you like to hear in your favorite music and combine it all into your own.

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