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Mixes like professionals
« on: March 10, 2016, 05:13:45 am »
I'm pretty sure all of us layer.Most of us layer leads and what not.
Almost every time I'm done with a mix,my final mix is too heavy to listen to.
I'm not sure if it's called headroom or what,but I want to be able to make mixes that are lighter,like the professional tracks.I mean,professional tracks have a lot going on,however it doesn't sound like it sounds like all the layers of let's say leads,sound like one particular lead.
I know people will say EQ.
I eq with respect to a PITCH FREQUENCY Chart and still not entirely happy with the final result.
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Re: Mixes like professionals
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2016, 05:53:07 am »
the big djs get their tracks sent to professional mastering, guys with like 20+ years experience of mastering

if you check out joe la porta, he does all the mastering for the big djs who want their tracks on us radio, tiesto armin, above & beyond, I've seen his discography

so dw about that, just work on your mixdowns and layering, it just has to sound good enough on soundcloud

with leads and layering I've seen drops with up to 10 layers+ of leads, believe me

 

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Re: Mixes like professionals
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2016, 06:09:33 am »
it just comes with practice m8. After time you'll learn how to layer better, with using less layers in total. You'll learn how to EQ stuff properly and how to level your elements. No need to use a pitch/frequency EQ for that imo. Just keep on practicing and you'll improve.

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2016, 07:46:51 am »
the big djs get their tracks sent to professional mastering, guys with like 20+ years experience of mastering

if you check out joe la porta, he does all the mastering for the big djs who want their tracks on us radio, tiesto armin, above & beyond, I've seen his discography

so dw about that, just work on your mixdowns and layering, it just has to sound good enough on soundcloud

with leads and layering I've seen drops with up to 10 layers+ of leads, believe me
That's what I mean.A lot of projects,the drops are over 6-8 layers,rarely even 10.Becomes hard to eq.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2016, 05:52:34 pm »
You gotta learn how to make one synthesizer sound good.

there's no point in adding stuff on top of stuff if you're not satisfied with one sound. You're just building disappointment.

We also need to define what layers actually are. Are they element layers? individual parts summed to make up one element of a track? or are layers in respect to the channels of the track.

We can't fix things if we aren't specific in our understanding, knowledge, and communication.

But i will say, the more things you do have, the harder it is to conceptualize a good cohesive mix.

And honestly, it's more about the mix than the master.
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Re: Mixes like professionals
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 06:57:25 pm »
You gotta learn how to make one synthesizer sound good.

there's no point in adding stuff on top of stuff if you're not satisfied with one sound. You're just building disappointment.

We also need to define what layers actually are. Are they element layers? individual parts summed to make up one element of a track? or are layers in respect to the channels of the track.

We can't fix things if we aren't specific in our understanding, knowledge, and communication.

But i will say, the more things you do have, the harder it is to conceptualize a good cohesive mix.

And honestly, it's more about the mix than the master.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2016, 09:00:58 pm »
For layering stuff theres pretty more you can do apart of using EQ, try linking al the layers to different mixer tracks and applying different EQ's but kepping one of the synths as the main one (making a little boost in the high mids section while applying a sublte cut in that section on the other synths), then you can link all the track to a bus and apply some multiband compression (Maximus it's great for this if you are using FL) and some reverb/delay (or both). That should make al the synths mix together making them sound like only one. You can also eliminate all the Reverb and Delay on the synths and only use the one in the final bus to make them feel like they are only one synth.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 09:09:41 pm »
For layering stuff theres pretty more you can do apart of using EQ, try linking al the layers to different mixer tracks and applying different EQ's but kepping one of the synths as the main one (making a little boost in the high mids section while applying a sublte cut in that section on the other synths), then you can link all the track to a bus and apply some multiband compression (Maximus it's great for this if you are using FL) and some reverb/delay (or both). That should make al the synths mix together making them sound like only one. You can also eliminate all the Reverb and Delay on the synths and only use the one in the final bus to make them feel like they are only one synth.
(Sry for my bad english) Good luck with your productions man!

But should you be using all that fancy stuff?

This could be good advice if you have a good understanding of EQ and DYNAMICS, but there's no point in suggesting this with these tools if you can't grasp the simple nature of the former.

I agree with you about the effect bussing, but the signal that's processed before hand should be considered first before you add any effects.

Not to mention you're not actually doing any thing to shape frequencies with a multi band compression tool, that's a job for EQ.

I wouldn't suggest eqing the group, keep things separate and easy to work with. There's enough convoluted processed that only make sense to the person using them and not to any one else.
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Re: Mixes like professionals
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2016, 06:32:20 am »
Agreed. I'd also suggest The simplest approach possible. It's definitely possible to do great sounding mix just with EQ and compression on each track. That should be the first goal before even considering multiband compression, stereo expansion, harmonic excitation and all this fancy stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2016, 08:38:09 am »
I'm getting kind of confused about this whole layering business, I guess it's the terminology as Marrow was pointing out. I kind of agree with you guys that you should be able to create a good mix with just levels, EQ and compression. But on the other hand, in my opinion, in sound design anything goes; you probably do much uglier things to your sound in a synth than you do with a little multiband and reverb. The question being begged is then, where do you draw the line between sound design and mixing?

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2016, 10:06:33 am »
I'm getting kind of confused about this whole layering business, I guess it's the terminology as Marrow was pointing out. I kind of agree with you guys that you should be able to create a good mix with just levels, EQ and compression. But on the other hand, in my opinion, in sound design anything goes; you probably do much uglier things to your sound in a synth than you do with a little multiband and reverb. The question being begged is then, where do you draw the line between sound design and mixing?

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Sound Design and mixing is largely the same. Also, i think you guys are all overcomplicating it. Most synths dont even need (multiband)compression and whatever sounds good, is good.

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2016, 10:28:52 am »
The question being begged is then, where do you draw the line between sound design and mixing?
I think we really shouldn't draw a line there. Imho good layering comes with layer-mixing. I usually like to consider every layer a new instrument. Idea of endless stacking and then "taming" the sound afterwards never really worked for me. Even when I tried (god knows this bassline had like 10 layers https://soundcloud.com/farleycz/linkin-park-steve-aoki-light) I always came to point that some of those layers needed some mixing to actually work with the rest.

Edit: On the second thought, if we had to draw that line, multiband compression (or expansion) would imho definitely belong to the sound design part. Imho in mixing, multiband compression should really be just for fixing problematic "unstable" sounds that you can't fix otherwise. Same goes for the other fancy stuff. Either you're fixing a problem, or you're doing sound design. That might be actually a good definition of that line.
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Re: Mixes like professionals
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2016, 05:11:00 pm »
I'm getting kind of confused about this whole layering business, I guess it's the terminology as Marrow was pointing out. I kind of agree with you guys that you should be able to create a good mix with just levels, EQ and compression. But on the other hand, in my opinion, in sound design anything goes; you probably do much uglier things to your sound in a synth than you do with a little multiband and reverb. The question being begged is then, where do you draw the line between sound design and mixing?

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you should realistically use any thing if you understand how to use it, other wise you can't completely capture the nuances of the tool you want to use. It's level and eq, compression was never mentioned outside of multiband.

Don't underestimate the power of the channel fader, eq, and panning...

You start mixing by choosing the sound source. Either recording, samples, creating a sound from a synth,sample, or recording.

Understanding the frequency content, mostly by ear but an analyzer helps, of the sound should give you some guide as to where it should sit in the mix by the volume, panning, and eq (see how it comes full circle?)

That's when you start mixing, but when you actually start the mixing phase, that's about EQ, Volume, And panning (more circles huh?)

but what else is involved with mixing is understanding how to mix your effects. (i highly suggest you look into bussing and/or auxiliary channels)
if you are using bus effects, you will have to control those effects with filters and eq (careful of the additive)

it's still very simple...people neglect what the analogue days tell you with all the fancy digital shit out now.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2016, 05:51:08 pm »
^ Yeah I agree with the general principle that mixing should be mostly adjusting faders and panning. I like Farley's point that complicated processing in this stage should be mostly about fixing problems.

It's just that especially in electronic music mixing becomes intertwined with "choosing the sound source", in which there's absolutely no reason not to use those "fancy" techniques that RLL was suggesting. That's why I like Patcher in FL studio, I can do all the crazy processing within that, and then behave like a responsible adult with the mixer.

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2016, 09:36:08 pm »
^ Yeah I agree with the general principle that mixing should be mostly adjusting faders and panning. I like Farley's point that complicated processing in this stage should be mostly about fixing problems.

It's just that especially in electronic music mixing becomes intertwined with "choosing the sound source", in which there's absolutely no reason not to use those "fancy" techniques that RLL was suggesting. That's why I like Patcher in FL studio, I can do all the crazy processing within that, and then behave like a responsible adult with the mixer.

well, that's the cool thing about patcher.

I'd compare it to reason's combinator. Where you have the power to do a BUNCH of processing to a single channel before you even get to the "mix" effects and bussing.

But, you can only do those fancy things with patch and a combinator if you understand the fundamentals of mixing.

Yea, there's always more you can do, but doing the most with very little and a huge understanding goes a longer way than just using something because you have a slight understanding of what it's used for. That leads to improper useage of tools, which was my point.
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