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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Lyrics/Melody
« on: February 03, 2016, 02:41:31 am »
My last post on here was about trying to work with vocalists and I got some great advice and feedback. However, I still am no closer to finishing my tracks that need vocals so I though I'd go down the Porter/Madeon route and maybe try my own. I'm not the best singer in the world but I can get by, and with production I might be able to turn it into something decent.

I'm finding it really hard to write lyrics, and even if I get something nice, I still can't think of melodies that I think are engaging or anthemic enough. I'm trying to make my music quite catchy and anthemic in terms of repeatable, simplistic choruses and more depth in the verses.

Does anyone have any advice on songwriting lyrically?

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Working with vocalist?
« on: January 23, 2016, 06:52:01 pm »
Quote from: dominique on January 14, 2016, 01:10:35 am
I am a vocalist, and even with less than 1000 followers on soundcloud, I get about 2-3 requests per week to do vocals for a producer. It might not sound like many, but doing vocals for one track can take anywhere from 5-15 hours, depending on if they ask me to write and the number of revisions. Even if I really like the track, I have to turn down unpaid collab requests because I barely have time to get my own stuff done. If the producer offers to pay, I'm more likely to agree because I can use the money to fund my own pursuits, but they almost never do. So my advice, when sending requests to vocalists, include a question about what their budget is. Also, be detailed about what you want in the track and include the instrumental. If they have all the info upfront, they can gage whether they'd be a right fit for the job right away and respond accordingly.

There's also a website called vocalizr that connects producers to vocalists and vice versa. It's a great way to make money too if you find a vocalist looking for someone to produce their track.

I would ideally be able to pay really good singers to work with me, but I'm a student in university and I really can't afford to do so most of the time. Just as a side note, your voice is stunning and you'd work really well on my tracks haha - but I understand you're busy and working for free isn't ideal for you.

also......

Quote from: lyteside on January 13, 2016, 08:38:39 pm

Post some examples of your vocal songs! Can't wait to hear :)

can't seem to embed a private SC link so here is the link to an old wip of one of the tracks https://soundcloud.com/effe1/track-2/s-YUf7c 

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: 2016 Goals
« on: January 12, 2016, 07:50:13 pm »
Finally release my first 3 track EP which has been sitting on my computer, finished, except for vocals, for months and months. It would be a free DL, without a label, but I just want to put a body of work online which is mine and I'm fully proud of. Been producing for 6 years I think and still never done this, only odd single uploads.

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: Working with vocalist?
« on: January 12, 2016, 07:48:24 pm »
Ideally, yes, I would work the song around the vocals, but my writing 'style' I guess I just happen to always write songs with places for verses and choruses, but I'm never happy with my own lyrics or singing.

All the people I've sent the tracks to have been really positive and super keen on working with them, I just find it hard to articulate how I personally think it should sound. I also find it difficult to tell people that I don't like someone because I know people put a lot of time, effort and personality into lyric writing.

Either way, hopefully something will work out. I just want these songs out, I'm so excited and proud of them but don't want to rush the vocals, which, as Joseph has said, should be the centre of attention.

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Working with vocalist?
« on: January 12, 2016, 01:16:35 pm »
I've had trouble working with vocalists for songs. I've had 3 finished tracks sitting on my computer for over a year while have tried to find vocalists with the right fit for the song.

It's a difficult balance: you want someone experienced enough to have real creative input and authority singing and writing lyrics, yet many of these vocalists are not willing to work with smaller/newer producers, at least not for free. I can understand this from their point of view, but seeing as I write music with vocals in mind, it's hard for me to release anything.

I have worked with several vocalists on these songs (synth pop style music, in case anyone wondered...) but can never get the right vibe, sound, whatever, from them. I understand it's a collaborative process, maybe I need to let go a bit, but I've spent so long on this music I would love the vocals to be awesome! Does anyone have any tips on where to find vocalists, how to deal with trying to get the lyrics/vibes/performance you're after... etc.

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