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I was lucky enough to have several friends who were interested, and have gone to school for this sort of thing. I've also taken a very basic class in school to make sure my foundation was solid enough. It wasn't a mixing class, but it focused more on the precursor elements to mixing.

Sure, I think everyone learns differently, I mean that's pretty obvious by now. Some people are hands on, some are not. Other people need teachers. I've learned a ton of things on my own but I also do like teachers a lot. They have the ability to pinpoint where stuff is going wrong and they can tell you exactly how to work on it.. kind of like a doctor who prescribes medication. I would love to take a lesson or two with Mr. Bill or SeamlessR and I will once I have the extra funds, I think they're really good teachers with a lot experience and know-how. I think Seamless charges $90 an hour which is very reasonable.

Looking back on all these threads from Lydian, this one included, I can say that we have made pretty good progress. From not knowing exactly how to improve, to pinpointing mixing as the problem. I see this as something very positive.

#problemsolving #engineering101

Word up.

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Yea, you just gotta keep coming back to it rather than just spending a bunch of time listening.

It's easy to get saturated with your own work. By the time i get to the finalization phase of my songs, I am so done listening to it lol.

I'll come back to it, but you do get tired of hearing it over and over again lol.

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If you find yourself still struggling after all the book reading and video tutorial watching, then that's when I would move onto some real one-to-one help from a real professional. Maybe you need a real teacher to break all of it down directly to you. I've heard that some people have gotten serious results from getting lessons directly from Mr. Bill and SeamlessR. If you can get some money together, maybe you can schedule in a lesson with people like them. I think Sadowick offers Skype lessons as well. They would be able to tell you directly what you need to work and how to go about doing that, since you don't seem to be able to pinpoint the problem yourself. Sure, it will cost you money, but so does a lot of things in life.

I was lucky enough to have several friends who were interested, and have gone to school for this sort of thing. I've also taken a very basic class in school to make sure my foundation was solid enough. It wasn't a mixing class, but it focused more on the precursor elements to mixing.

My next step is to probably shell out some coin for 1 on 1 time, but that'll happen after my mechanical engineering degree lol.

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: Circle Of Fifths
« on: February 13, 2016, 11:20:44 pm »
Music is based off the Major key.

Your Major scales eventually run into your minor scales as you progress up or down the keyboard. This is true for any instrument (absolute statement check me if i am wrong please).

I personally found the circle of fifths confusing as hell. All you really need to know is what i said above and how to play the scales. That's a REALLY basic understanding.



You're correct that the notes of the relative major and minor scales overlap. Not all music is based off of the major key though. There are songs which are clearly based off of a minor key and in that case the scale degrees change.



Right, I was just poking at a very basic understanding.

You gotta make it make sense a little, before you leap into the abyss.

It's also a mindset that I anchor when dealing with Majors and natural minors.

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Composition/Arrangement/Theory / Re: Circle Of Fifths
« on: February 13, 2016, 10:36:43 pm »
Music is based off the Major key.

Your Major scales eventually run into your minor scales as you progress up or down the keyboard. This is true for any instrument (absolute statement check me if i am wrong please).

I personally found the circle of fifths confusing as hell. All you really need to know is what i said above and how to play the scales. That's a REALLY basic understanding.


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If you must know the answer then the answer is no to the studio environment question. A yes to the equipment question. Rhetorical questions I know but I might as well include some rhetorical answers. I understand that I have the freedom to do whatever the hell I want when it comes to making music. I get that I can open up a brand new project instead of working on the same one. I also understand that if I keep this behavior up I will end up 100 unfinished tracks.

I understand that it's not mandatory to have any sort of schedule or routine and I can literally just sit there and play with reverb all day if I desired. I don't see why its necessary to go to school to schedule anything but considering my major isn't audio engineering I have no choice but to resort to trial and error and asking for help on forums.

I don't see how these questions are of a similar nature aside from the constant frustrated tone I get from the replies you guys are giving me.

Body language is not in the form of text, i have trouble and often misinterpret things said through text.

These questions i ask are in place to get a better understanding of your problem, and to give solutions as to how to solve it.

The only frustrated"tone" you'd be perceiving would come from yourself, and not through text. Just stating observations, and trying to solve problems.

Back to the issue at hand. What i suggested was a way of learning what you'd be doing in a more efficient manner. Re-read it again if you have to, but the information is there to help eliminate variables for both you and I, that was the point.

Now that we both understand that you have to do it by trial and error, all you're left with is just by doing that. You could order some books about the different production stages and see to the more specific aspects that are associated with each stage.

THREAD.

That link has a book in particular that seems to inspired a forum member enough to post about it. I also mention a book that may cover a more "human" perspective rather than a technical one. Both go hand in hand when dealing with music and people involved in it.

What i mentioned wasn't just blatant "lol go do these things and like w/e bro". You have to do a hard analysis and spend the time necessary to be proficient at this. Simply put, it's like doing home work.

I get that this isn't your major, and you probably want to do it more often than what you're doing right now, but that's the opportunity cost by going to school that's not in the related field. Which is fine, but, what you're asking comes from what you're choosing to prioritize in your life right now.

Out side of my initial questions, which should be reconsidered in a more calm manner and not with anger glasses, Don't know what else to tell you that's already has been told and basically not looked at thoroughly by you.

Ps, don't feed the troll man. I have a habit of going full retard. And if you want any more help from any one, you gotta learn to look at things from many angles and try to pull out what people are actually saying. Because, and once again going back to my post before hand, people are their own thing and you have to understand yourself in order to relate to other people.

*edit* You also may need to look outside of music and apply techniques to music to get the desired results.
Use any thing and every thing if you're in the pursuit of knowledge and understanding, other wise....I have no advice on the opposite of that path.

*edit* I read your post aboutTHIS. I've gained more insight to your situation.
You've been doing music production for not that long dude...compared to your musical understanding. Those things are totally different even though they are compliments in a product.

so, you already know what to do when it comes to practicing an instrument, now apply that understanding to get better at producing.

Btw, i checked your sound clips and they sound pretty decent. You could just be over thinking this whole thing entirely. Just gotta put in the time and learn as you go man. Hard analysis of yourself and start working on those things you see that you're weak at. That's what i did, and that's what many people have done. Eventually they've sought through other people, but not with out finding a problem they can't fix or understand themselves.

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So is this something good for complete beginners to pick up?

I browse this section of the forum and honestly I am completely lost most of the time. I'm at a point in my producing lifespan where I can make good songs but I am 100% clueless when it comes to anything mixing/mastering related.

Does this book still apply to someone on my learning level?

http://mixerman.net/books/

I would suggest this for you. It's more about the mindset (equally important as technical understanding) than what other people would talk about. It's an easy door to walk through in terms of understanding things in a very common language. It'll offer a good foundation of understanding that you can take with you for the rest of your career.


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Zau said it best.

I will also agree that on your 100 completed song, you will start to see a difference.

I know around song 50, you'll be noticing some things but definitely by song 100 you'll be in a good spot.

If you're actually completing a song, you are doing all that you can to practice what you need.

Understand this; unless you are actually using all the components that you are aware of at any given time, then you haven't mastered your understanding of your daw and overall music production. That might be over kill, but that's still with in the scope of "being a master".

Then the master's problems become more complex and suited for a master to solve and then become a proficient master.

I know some people might not agree with me, but if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty (at least initially), you may need some studio upgrades.

I fought off buying studio monitors for the longest time, mostly because i just wanted to wait and see how far i can get. But I've spent some time oh my headphones and logitech speakers, before i realized the limitations that i was placing on myself when making music. Those limitations manifested into frustration and the only reason why I didn't make music for any stretch of time now, was because of those equipment flaws.

I wouldn't trade that experience though, because it made me more versatile and understand more about any of my tools. I got a ways to go if i want to master the science of understanding, but the feeling of understanding i think definitely is down pat.

It's an odd mix of things, but just keep making complete songs with what ever you have man, keep researching, and asking questions.






Even if its true that finishing songs is all the practice someone needs can you honestly say that there are 0 times in which it's more beneficial to practice things separately in order to get better? I can put on a loop and have it repeat for 160 bars with a couple of FX and call it a finished song. I can do that 100 times and I'll become good at just that. Making music that sounds like garbage.

I agree that finishing songs sounds like a pretty easy no brainer practice method but when I'm producing things don't always go that smoothly. I'll be in the process of writing a track and then I'll try to mix something but it will sound like garbage. Then the question from there is... why does it sound like garbage? It's always THAT part that I tend to get stuck on when finishing songs. Ironically that's the final step it takes before one is able to make any real progress.

So with that being said I'm going to attempt to fine tune this and say this. The best way to practice producing music is by writing garbage music and then through trial and error discovering how to make is sound less garbage.

For example... here's a short remake that I did 2 days ago of a 4 bar section of a song.

https://soundcloud.com/dannystestaccount/lights-up-remake

Compared to the original mine sounds like garbage. Now the question is why? It's not the notes side that I get stuck on. The notes are the same. Its only the mix downs that I can't yet quite figure out and that's why I have such a problem with finishing songs. I won't continue until I can figure out what's wrong and sometimes I never do. (A response for you Zau)

For example... I have this theme down.

https://soundcloud.com/dannystestaccount/theme

I love the notes but when I try to produce it just sounds amateur. Therefore, I'm going to keep using trial and error until I figure out what it is about the mix that sounds off until I can get it to sound good. :D Can't make it sound less garbage if I don't have garbage to begin with. ^.^

You have to understand what exactly you're comparing things to.

Are you in an environment that is designed for this activity? Do you have equipment that is designed for this activity? At what level is your environment and equipment design for this specialized purpose of producing? What are your input signals like? Do you understand the subtle differences in any one particular tool that you are using?

Those are rhetorical questions.

Honestly if you're spending time making the songs, who or what is to say that you should be dedicated to that sole purpose? Do you not realize that you could open up a brand new project or continue to stay in the same project and work on what ever the hell else you want to work on for that main project or something else?

You're not freed of yourself yet. You're not acknowledging the amount of FREEDOM you have to DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO DO when it comes to this particular art, or really any art. (with in reason and taste and other moral obligations or duties; we won't go there because i think it's understood).

There's really no way of scheduling this sort of thing, because you're not going to school for this. Honestly, if you wanna start banging out good mixes you go to school for this, or you trial and error it while forming relationships that help foster these skills.

I've said these things several times before, but the frustrating part of what zau sees is that, the questions being asked are of a similar nature and can be, and have been, expressed in a way that should suit you to find the answers, for your self, on your own.

You might have to actually dig deeper, because it seems to me you're on a plateau right now and can't seem to break out of it to continue onto the next level.

Look to what you need, you have to become your teacher and be the student.

Any one else can offer advice based upon their experience, but if you're not actually creating your own, then you will not understand any one else because you have no understanding of yourself.

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Zau said it best.

I will also agree that on your 100 completed song, you will start to see a difference.

I know around song 50, you'll be noticing some things but definitely by song 100 you'll be in a good spot.

If you're actually completing a song, you are doing all that you can to practice what you need.

Understand this; unless you are actually using all the components that you are aware of at any given time, then you haven't mastered your understanding of your daw and overall music production. That might be over kill, but that's still with in the scope of "being a master".

Then the master's problems become more complex and suited for a master to solve and then become a proficient master.

I know some people might not agree with me, but if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty (at least initially), you may need some studio upgrades.

I fought off buying studio monitors for the longest time, mostly because i just wanted to wait and see how far i can get. But I've spent some time oh my headphones and logitech speakers, before i realized the limitations that i was placing on myself when making music. Those limitations manifested into frustration and the only reason why I didn't make music for any stretch of time now, was because of those equipment flaws.

I wouldn't trade that experience though, because it made me more versatile and understand more about any of my tools. I got a ways to go if i want to master the science of understanding, but the feeling of understanding i think definitely is down pat.

It's an odd mix of things, but just keep making complete songs with what ever you have man, keep researching, and asking questions.





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Sound Design / Re: Space-like Sounds (like planets and galaxies space)
« on: February 12, 2016, 05:58:01 pm »
https://soundcloud.com/nasa

modulation, automation, reverb, delay, echo, some distortion on any of the mentioned effects.

You can't get much more space like than nasa.

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Interview With Pinch and Benga
« on: February 12, 2016, 05:56:43 pm »
Link

Very interesting insight if any thing a solid read on inspiration, creativity, and self awareness.

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Mixing/Mastering / Re: Mixing resonant percussion into your track
« on: February 12, 2016, 04:57:31 pm »
You could have a build up in the particular percussion's set of frequency with other elements in your track.

You also might need to remove that sample entirely.

I suggest you come back to it after a few days, when you get enough advice, and discern what actually needs to happen.

Would love to hear your end results and what you did to get the desired effect.

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You Might Like... / Re: Haywyre - Two Fold Pt. 2
« on: February 12, 2016, 03:43:56 am »
This is a solid release.

I really like the song Impulse, it reminds me of some old school caspa dubstep.

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R&A Graveyard / Re: Dedicated chat room (IRC)?
« on: February 12, 2016, 03:42:43 am »
A discord channel might be a good idea.

Might need invitation only, but that's not so hard to set up with link shorten tools and what not

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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: What Makes Music Worth Your Time?
« on: February 12, 2016, 02:10:45 am »
Five of my immediate blood relatives are professional musicians or artists, and another two are serious amateurs with day jobs. (I worked in the film industry for 7 years, though I tended to stick to more technical work.) So while I can’t speak personally on what being a professional artist/musician is like, I do have a solid “backstage” perspective.

It seems like art/music has its rewarding moments, and it’s nice to be able to sleep in every day and not have to dress up basically ever. And of course there’s a lot of prestige and glamor associated with success in art or music—if you’re lucky enough to attain it.

But other than that, I don’t see any advantages to being a professional artist over having any other job where you love what you do, and a lot of those other jobs offer HMOs, 401Ks, and (most importantly) regular hours.

My guess is that most musicians who have both headlined a festival AND gotten married and had kids would say this: both experiences are incredible, but if you only get to pick one, get married and have kids. You can make music until the day you die, but getting married and having kids gets harder every day past sometime in your mid/late 20s, especially for women.

As someone who is married and a parent, I’d say that the pressure society puts on you to get married and have kids is a GOOD THING. Most people agree that starting a family is the most rewarding thing they’ve ever done, even if they also have successful careers doing something they love. That’s certainly the case for me.

So my advice is this:

1. If you want to be a professional musician, think real hard about the reality of what that would mean and why you want it. Don’t sugar-coat it: not all of it’s as glamorous as it seems. If you do this, and still REALLY want that life, then go for it 100%. Don’t let anything get in your way. Live and breathe music and everything that goes with it. Emulate the success of others. If at any point you realize you’re not that talented, that’s when you need to start working twice as hard. You should basically only stop doing music to eat or sleep. You should be composing melodies while you take a crap or mow your lawn. Also, forget about ever having kids or a wife or a family—if it happens later, great, but you might as well assume it won’t. (You don’t have to do all this in most other careers, but this is just the way working in any media field is.)

2. If you do want a spouse and kids and a family, do that as soon as possible. Figure out a way to provide for them, and bit by bit nudge over to a way of providing for them that you also like. (Or if you’re the mom, make sure you marry someone who can provide for you if you decide to focus on being a mom full-time. A lot of women end up deciding to do this even if they didn’t think they would at first.) The thing you end up doing doesn’t have to be what you always dreamed of since you were little, but eventually you’ll find something that suits your skills and personality, and you’ll discover what’s interesting about it and you’ll become really good at it. You’ll develop a career and then, as worrying about money becomes a thing of the past, you’ll be able to free up some time and resources to have fun making music at night and on the weekends. It doesn’t sound like much, but it’s actually plenty of time and it’s a whole lot of fun. Share the music you make with your friends, or put it online and enjoy the feedback you get. Plus you’ll have the incomparable experience of having kids and a spouse who loves you. I know it sounds very “ordinary” but this is actually an extremely rewarding way to live—that’s why so many people do it.

Beautiful, inspiring, and a very real response.

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