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Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« on: January 07, 2016, 03:26:33 pm »
This may sound dumb but i spend the majority of the day yesterday on the TPF and i learned more in 1 day than i have in the last 2 years! once i got home from work i sat down at my computer ready to make some phat beatz and then i felt super overwhelmed and kind of limited by my new found knowledge. normally i don't think twice about anything and go to town in FL Studio but now i have all of this new knowledge that's sitting in the back of my head causing me to second guess my production. its hard to describe. should i just go for it and then come back around and apply what iv learned? or apply what i learned as i go? i guess my creative process needs changed up a bit. Recommendations?

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2016, 03:33:45 pm »
I recently did about 10-15 hrs of tutorials. I learned more in the month working on these then I ever had before. I felt the exact same way. Music theory isn't supposed to limit or inhibit your artist creativity. I believe in the end your new found knowledge will help you. You just need to keep pushing forward. The new "rules" are just guidelines and it comes down to what sounds good to you that matters. Eventually if you keep pushing yourself to get into it you will create something far greater than you ever did before. Think about what you've learned and incorporate it bit by bit into your work. I find writing things down helps. Make a list of 2-3 things (at a time) you've learned and go and try them out. Separating actually writing a track and trying out a new trick is important. I find that most the time it leads to a really cool breakthrough and that motivates me to start a new project.
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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2016, 03:36:24 pm »
Producing is like ten different jobs rolled into one, focus on each at a time and not all of them at once

Will make life so much easier

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2016, 03:58:07 pm »
I have been producing for 8 months now so here's how I first began -

I watched a lot of tutorials. I had no idea what I was doing and spent a majority of my time watching ADSR Courses and YouTube tutorials to learn Sylenth and Massive masterclasses, sound design, EQing, mixing, mastering, parallel-sidechain compression, so forth.

(Good YouTube accounts to follow: SeamlessR, ZenWorld, DigitialVideoFX, Sound Design Tutorials)

What I realized was i had all this "knowledge" but no way to apply it. I ended up watching EQ tutorials, mixing, mastering, compression, and all this other stuff that was "way above my pay grade." Let's be real. I was just beginning to produce, I had no use for any of that.

Some suggestions:

1. Masterclasses (LEARN YOUR SYNTH) - Sylenth, Massive, Serum, whatever it is, KNOW IT. Know every single damn function of your synth so you can control every parameter to the ultimate precision.

2. "Music Theory" - Learn to write melodies and chords. No, you do not need to know music theory, but it helps. If you're going to write music one day at a professional level, you WILL need to write in key. There is a reason music theory exists. It is harmonics, mathematical breakdowns of frequencies, which chords sound good together.. it works and it sounds better. You may disagree here, but any professional musician will tell you music theory is there for a reason.

3. "How to make X genre" - Watch a full hour long video production of a song. It may sound like a long time but ask yourself this... how many movies have you watched in your lifetime? A lot.

4. KNOW YOUR DAW - How can you manipulate your sound through a multitude of parameters? How can you use a filter cutoff to transition from your introduction lead to a full, fat, supersaw? How can you use everything your workstation offers to make a more complete track? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH3RJBUZ_f0)

If you want to be successful at producing music, you need to make this your life.
What do I mean by that? You watch four hours of TV a day. You play three hours of video games a day. You go hangout with your friends every single day of the week.

No. I learned the hard way. You will have to make sacrifices. Success does not come easy, and one of the hardest parts if telling your friends that you don't have time to hangout because you want to be successful

Sounds crazy. Easier said than done. But it's the truth.
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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 03:59:04 pm »
Electronic musicians needs to be the actual composer and the sound engineer, which is hard. So take you time to process everything and then try to make something. Process also one thing at once.

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 05:08:32 pm »
I have been producing for 8 months now so here's how I first began -

I watched a lot of tutorials. I had no idea what I was doing and spent a majority of my time watching ADSR Courses and YouTube tutorials to learn Sylenth and Massive masterclasses, sound design, EQing, mixing, mastering, parallel-sidechain compression, so forth.

(Good YouTube accounts to follow: SeamlessR, ZenWorld, DigitialVideoFX, Sound Design Tutorials)

What I realized was i had all this "knowledge" but no way to apply it. I ended up watching EQ tutorials, mixing, mastering, compression, and all this other stuff that was "way above my pay grade." Let's be real. I was just beginning to produce, I had no use for any of that.

Some suggestions:

1. Masterclasses (LEARN YOUR SYNTH) - Sylenth, Massive, Serum, whatever it is, KNOW IT. Know every single damn function of your synth so you can control every parameter to the ultimate precision.

2. "Music Theory" - Learn to write melodies and chords. No, you do not need to know music theory, but it helps. If you're going to write music one day at a professional level, you WILL need to write in key. There is a reason music theory exists. It is harmonics, mathematical breakdowns of frequencies, which chords sound good together.. it works and it sounds better. You may disagree here, but any professional musician will tell you music theory is there for a reason.

3. "How to make X genre" - Watch a full hour long video production of a song. It may sound like a long time but ask yourself this... how many movies have you watched in your lifetime? A lot.

4. KNOW YOUR DAW - How can you manipulate your sound through a multitude of parameters? How can you use a filter cutoff to transition from your introduction lead to a full, fat, supersaw? How can you use everything your workstation offers to make a more complete track? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH3RJBUZ_f0)

If you want to be successful at producing music, you need to make this your life.
What do I mean by that? You watch four hours of TV a day. You play three hours of video games a day. You go hangout with your friends every single day of the week.

No. I learned the hard way. You will have to make sacrifices. Success does not come easy, and one of the hardest parts if telling your friends that you don't have time to hangout because you want to be successful

Sounds crazy. Easier said than done. But it's the truth.

Gonna follow this advice. I also get overwhelmed by all this music jargon and waste time vst hunting  :(
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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 05:18:38 pm »
When I started out, I knew all about music theory but nothing about production. So, I've learned it one step at a time.

I just sat down and tried to produce a track. Every time I ran into a problem, I learned something new to get on with it. Never did I learn anything that I didn't need at the time. I guess that's the best way to keep a clear head and stay focussed.

The learning process of music production is never ending anyways, so no need to rush.

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2016, 07:05:49 pm »
This image is connected to dancing but you can substitute that word for literally any artistic skill that requires a lot of time and training:



Your ability to create good work is somewhat linear curve - the more time and effort you put in, the more you get out of it.

Your ability to understand what is good and bad is a fluctuating cycle of peaks and valleys surrounding your ability's growth. There will be times when your ability to know what is good is LESS than your current understanding of how to make what is good. These are the cherished moments of discovery and learning, when you're breaking through a lot of barriers and feeling like you might be onto something. There will also be times when your taste will be much HIGHER than your ability to make what is good for your tastes. This is the real challenge, and where most people stop.

It's important to keep in mind that EVERYONE encounters it, and the only way to get past it is to keep making work even IF you think it's not up to your own standards. The only way you'll know how to make things that sound good is by making a whole lot of stuff that sounds bad. Don't give up!

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2016, 07:12:46 pm »
This image is connected to dancing but you can substitute that word for literally any artistic skill that requires a lot of time and training:



Your ability to create good work is somewhat linear curve - the more time and effort you put in, the more you get out of it.

Your ability to understand what is good and bad is a fluctuating cycle of peaks and valleys surrounding your ability's growth. There will be times when your ability to know what is good is LESS than your current understanding of how to make what is good. These are the cherished moments of discovery and learning, when you're breaking through a lot of barriers and feeling like you might be onto something. There will also be times when your taste will be much HIGHER than your ability to make what is good for your tastes. This is the real challenge, and where most people stop.

It's important to keep in mind that EVERYONE encounters it, and the only way to get past it is to keep making work even IF you think it's not up to your own standards. The only way you'll know how to make things that sound good is by making a whole lot of stuff that sounds bad. Don't give up!

i've never seen such an accurate graph

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2016, 02:48:51 pm »
This image is connected to dancing but you can substitute that word for literally any artistic skill that requires a lot of time and training:



Your ability to create good work is somewhat linear curve - the more time and effort you put in, the more you get out of it.

Your ability to understand what is good and bad is a fluctuating cycle of peaks and valleys surrounding your ability's growth. There will be times when your ability to know what is good is LESS than your current understanding of how to make what is good. These are the cherished moments of discovery and learning, when you're breaking through a lot of barriers and feeling like you might be onto something. There will also be times when your taste will be much HIGHER than your ability to make what is good for your tastes. This is the real challenge, and where most people stop.

It's important to keep in mind that EVERYONE encounters it, and the only way to get past it is to keep making work even IF you think it's not up to your own standards. The only way you'll know how to make things that sound good is by making a whole lot of stuff that sounds bad. Don't give up!

That's very cool. Here's my personal curve:


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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2016, 02:55:54 pm »
Also... my daughter's been learning to write recently, and it was interesting watching what happened when she started school and they insisted on joined-up handwriting: at that point she had to learn joined-up handwriting at the same time as learning to spell, and how to express herself on paper.

With production, you have to learn the tools (at different levels) as well as learning how to express yourself musically, which might involve melody, harmony...

A lot of tutorials online focus on learning the tools because that's much easier to communicate in a Youtube video, and you can't take a screenshot of successful emotional expression through music.

So... maybe it's worth trying to have sessions where you just make hooks as musical elements (melodies, rhythms, harmonies), without worrying about the sound quality? Then sessions where you play with new techniques, detached from trying to use them for musical expression? That might give you more focus to get the techniques down, and a body of creative ideas you can work up into tracks?

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2016, 06:57:19 pm »
Just get more comfortable with the new knowledge. What happens is that what you know isnt deep enough in your brain yet for it to instantly remember while working, so your brain has to switch between left brain and right brain tasks to get the necessary information, usually not good for flow. Just make a lot of stuff until it becomes natural to use the new knowledge. Can't get better without practice.

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2016, 08:58:08 am »
This may sound dumb but i spend the majority of the day yesterday on the TPF and i learned more in 1 day than i have in the last 2 years! once i got home from work i sat down at my computer ready to make some phat beatz and then i felt super overwhelmed and kind of limited by my new found knowledge. normally i don't think twice about anything and go to town in FL Studio but now i have all of this new knowledge that's sitting in the back of my head causing me to second guess my production. its hard to describe. should i just go for it and then come back around and apply what iv learned? or apply what i learned as i go? i guess my creative process needs changed up a bit. Recommendations?

I agree with what a lot of people have said already. everything comes with practice and research, so let me offer you my process when i learn new techniques. When i learn a major new technique such as parallel processing or multi band compression for example (everyone should learn both of those things btw), i open up a blank project and i just make a simple 16 bar loop and i play around with it until i understand how to get what i want out of it. once you feel like your starting to understand those concepts, start building on that 16 bar loop and see what you can do! You don't have to release every song you write. I personally write 5 to 10 tracks for every 1 that i release and i feel that it's better that way.

while there are guidelines and recommendations that you can follow when it comes to production, just remember that every single rule can be broken and mangled into something amazing. but also take into mind that if you dont know rules, you cannot break them intentionally

another good way to gather the knowledge you've earned here is to keep yourself a private journal. dont copy articles word for word but rather write down what you personally took from the article and be sure to reference it in the future.

take it all one step at a time bud! good luck!
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2016, 10:19:31 am »
I have been producing for 8 months now so here's how I first began -

I watched a lot of tutorials. I had no idea what I was doing and spent a majority of my time watching ADSR Courses and YouTube tutorials to learn Sylenth and Massive masterclasses, sound design, EQing, mixing, mastering, parallel-sidechain compression, so forth.

(Good YouTube accounts to follow: SeamlessR, ZenWorld, DigitialVideoFX, Sound Design Tutorials)

What I realized was i had all this "knowledge" but no way to apply it. I ended up watching EQ tutorials, mixing, mastering, compression, and all this other stuff that was "way above my pay grade." Let's be real. I was just beginning to produce, I had no use for any of that.

Some suggestions:

1. Masterclasses (LEARN YOUR SYNTH) - Sylenth, Massive, Serum, whatever it is, KNOW IT. Know every single damn function of your synth so you can control every parameter to the ultimate precision.

2. "Music Theory" - Learn to write melodies and chords. No, you do not need to know music theory, but it helps. If you're going to write music one day at a professional level, you WILL need to write in key. There is a reason music theory exists. It is harmonics, mathematical breakdowns of frequencies, which chords sound good together.. it works and it sounds better. You may disagree here, but any professional musician will tell you music theory is there for a reason.

3. "How to make X genre" - Watch a full hour long video production of a song. It may sound like a long time but ask yourself this... how many movies have you watched in your lifetime? A lot.

4. KNOW YOUR DAW - How can you manipulate your sound through a multitude of parameters? How can you use a filter cutoff to transition from your introduction lead to a full, fat, supersaw? How can you use everything your workstation offers to make a more complete track? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH3RJBUZ_f0)

If you want to be successful at producing music, you need to make this your life.
What do I mean by that? You watch four hours of TV a day. You play three hours of video games a day. You go hangout with your friends every single day of the week.

No. I learned the hard way. You will have to make sacrifices. Success does not come easy, and one of the hardest parts if telling your friends that you don't have time to hangout because you want to be successful

Sounds crazy. Easier said than done. But it's the truth.

You seem quite an enlightened person......all that you wrote is what i can totally relate to!!!

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Re: Overwhelmed by new prodcution knowledge!
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2016, 10:18:32 pm »
Producing is like ten different jobs rolled into one, focus on each at a time and not all of them at once

Will make life so much easier

agreed well played first i get the track done then focus on one thing at a time