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EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« on: September 28, 2016, 01:20:13 am »
Hey guys, so I have about 4-5 layers of different synths EQ'd to fit together and they sound great, but once I try to add white noise to it the white noise sounds narrow and punches even though I've used dimension expander, experimented with reverbs, chorus, delays, sends etc and it doesn't get better

Please help!
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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2016, 01:34:50 am »
separate it in a new track and control it with the volume fader and EQ.


Also, not sure what you're trying to get out of it, given your description.

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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2016, 02:33:07 am »
how many supersaws r u layering? 4-5??

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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 05:28:18 pm »
how many supersaws r u layering? 4-5??

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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2016, 05:28:56 pm »
separate it in a new track and control it with the volume fader and EQ.


Also, not sure what you're trying to get out of it, given your description.

I'm trying to layer it so it fit in with my supersaws in a smooth yet noticeable manner, like not a lot of hiss
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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 01:55:27 am »
how many supersaws r u layering? 4-5??

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i dont think its a good idea to layer 4-5 supersaws, i think you meant leads
with the white noise trick, you need a certain type of chord progression, and have it in the bass note of your chords

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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 02:41:35 am »
I'm trying to layer it so it fit in with my supersaws in a smooth yet noticeable manner, like not a lot of hiss

See my previous suggestion.

You need to figure out how to best layer your sounds given the sonic content of each layer while understanding how the signal will be summed.


That's more complicated than it's worth.

If you're trying to process the sum of your signals by making individual sounds, then you might be better off just working with one sound than many sounds to make one sound.


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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2016, 06:22:29 am »
When layering supersaws or any synths in fact its pretty important that you make sure that you have a reason for every layer. If you have 4 or 5 layers of supersaws that are all taking up the same frequency range, it's going to possibly mud up the mix and have less dynamics. Voicing is super important in this.

On terms of white noise, something I like doing is either band or highpassing the actual white noise in its own channel. (this gives you a lot of control over what frequencies you're hitting as well as how loud the frequencies are going to be)

If you really want white noise that cuts through your mix, try having less (NOT NONE) volume coming from the super saws in around 15khz+ range. If you get the mixing right, it will be just subtle enough that you'll be able to hear it while it still blends in with the other layerings as well.

Best of luck!

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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 02:44:12 pm »
Never, EVER just layer things for the sake of layering them. As said before, it'll make the sound muddier, but it'll also drastically reduce the amount of headroom you have to work with, meaning your sound ultimately won't be as loud as it could be, as well as giving you more unnecessary variables to worry about.

Keep it simple.

With the right synth, one layer of saws + noise should be all you need. If you must, I could see 2-3 layers in different bands, with different unison settings (getting noisier as they get higher), but Harmor can map unison width to frequency anyway (since it uses additive synthesis). Other than that, see the other posts here.

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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2016, 04:27:47 am »
Try using different noise oscillators for the left and right channels, or just use stereo mode in Sylenth (with one noise osc, but don't forget to disable retrig).  Trying to make a mono noise wider may not give you the best results.  The right EQing is also very important but there's no universal formula as it all depends on your other layers.  You may want to try to let some lower frequencies pass through, it may help you glue your layers together.  Also using distortion/saturation on the white noise layer may help it cut through the mix.  BTW, 4-5 layers is pretty standard for those Anjuna/Enhanced style supersaws.  I've actually seen more (up to 8 ), and with clever mixing it sounds awesome.

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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2016, 01:25:36 pm »
Why not make a single cut of its layers of super saw arriving only 14800 Hz and white noise, add it from the 15000 hz up to 16000 hz which is the audible range, apply a compressor multiband to white noise and adjust volume to ensure its place in the mix of all the remaining synths  8)
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Re: EQing in white noise with supersaw chords, advice?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2016, 02:14:05 pm »
Why not make a single cut of its layers of super saw arriving only 14800 Hz and white noise, add it from the 15000 hz up to 16000 hz which is the audible range, apply a compressor multiband to white noise and adjust volume to ensure its place in the mix of all the remaining synths  8)
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You're reaching the upper limits of hearing to some people if you're low cutting your white noise at that level.

And it won't really add that much.

You can get a nice blend between the two if you give the white noise less of a low cut and the super saws more of a high cut.

the unwanted and wanted frequencies will blend in better, especially if you're adjusting the volume of the layers appropriately (bias towards what's important to give you a better sum from the sources).

If you're to controlling in your approach, you don't really have a whole lot of nuanced character that often times makes up the sound.

But, that's a tricky subject to consider with EQ and popular EDM genres, because it certain things do sound controlled and tight to get that visceral feeling and clarity.
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