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Headphones or Speakers ?
« on: August 24, 2016, 11:32:28 pm »
I had a pair of cheap speakers (40-50 dollars, i don´t remember) and one headphones with much better quality ,the Sony NWZ-WH303 (I´m not saying that they´re awesome and the best but are better than the speakers)

Should I start to produce more with the headphones ? How good are they?

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2016, 12:08:06 am »
My biggest problem with headphones is that they fatigue my ears so fast compared to monitors

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2016, 12:16:22 am »
try Invest in good quality speakers
its all about the low end and its hard with headphones, cause it cant pick up the frequencies
but try get a good headphones too, when you want to arrange or produce at night or something
so both lol, upgrade your studio slowly over time



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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2016, 01:25:12 am »
My biggest problem with headphones is that they fatigue my ears so fast compared to monitors
I have the same problem  :(

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2016, 01:29:55 am »
try Invest in good quality speakers
its all about the low end and its hard with headphones, cause it cant pick up the frequencies
but try get a good headphones too, when you want to arrange or produce at night or something
so both lol, upgrade your studio slowly over time

Well, I am 15, so getting money is going to be a little bit difficult, but I promised to myself never give up ;D

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 11:36:52 am »
you're gonna need both to get a good frame of reference.


I bought 300 dollar headphones and continued to use some logitech speakers (100usd) before i bought yamaha hs8's, three years after (six years total).


a good pair of headphones and time spent learning them are a great investment.
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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2016, 09:24:52 pm »
try Invest in good quality speakers
its all about the low end and its hard with headphones, cause it cant pick up the frequencies
but try get a good headphones too, when you want to arrange or produce at night or something
so both lol, upgrade your studio slowly over time

Well, I am 15, so getting money is going to be a little bit difficult, but I promised to myself never give up ;D

these are good budget speakers. bought them for a friend and they sound pretty nice. not alot of low end but enough imo

https://www.amazon.com/Mackie-CR4-Pair-Reference-Multimedia/dp/B00KVEIY4O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472333051&sr=8-1&keywords=mackie+cr+4

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2016, 09:54:58 pm »
Also, ALWAYS buy used.

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2016, 09:35:40 am »
I'm using the vmoda m100. It's alright in terms of production quality. But it's always better to use studio monitors if you really want it to sound crisp espcially if you plan on playing it in a club or big speakers.

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2016, 06:30:02 am »
I spent the first eight years of my production not-quite-career on sub par $50 headphones. As long as you know the downfalls of your headphones, you can estimate a countermeasure. For example, if the bass in your headphones sounds too loud, but when you play your track on other systems it is quiet, you can probably safely assume your headphones have some bass boost. So mix to that. Build a frame of reference.

By no means do you need top notch speakers or headphones to 'get good'. Work with what you have. Upgrade when it is viable. I knew a dude who could mix better than I could and he was deaf in one ear.

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2016, 09:07:43 pm »
I have Akg 240K which i bought 4-5 years ago and i am very, VERY satisfied! They got very precise and detailed sound. They sounds dry and first time i was uncomfortable with them. Only weakness (from my perspective)  is lack of bass, you need listen loud to get  bass, which fast tire ears. And they cost just 100 dollars.

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 08:32:08 pm »
I would say both. The stereo image is a bit easier to nail on headphones, but often you can get a better feel of the low end with good speakers. I don't think quality headphones or speakers are cheap. My recommendation would be:

Headphones: Beyerdynamic 990 250 ohm. (the ohm is important)
Speakers: Yamaha HS5 or HS7 depending on your room.

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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 10:11:39 pm »
I would say both. The stereo image is a bit easier to nail on headphones, but often you can get a better feel of the low end with good speakers. I don't think quality headphones or speakers are cheap. My recommendation would be:

Headphones: Beyerdynamic 990 250 ohm. (the ohm is important)
Speakers: Yamaha HS5 or HS7 depending on your room.


i'd say just gets 8's, it's worth it as long as you understand how it affects your room. You should be mostly working at a low volume any ways.


Also, the stereo field in headphones are a bit misleading. You get a better sense of how the headphone mix translates to speakers, only after you've spent some time and understand the relationship (or ratios for that matter) between the two.



(i am biased because i have exactly that set up with beyer's and 8inch yamaha. but dang ole man they're so worth it)
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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2016, 07:52:15 pm »
Both. I alternate between headset and speakers all the time. It helps me a lot to find different sounds and parts of my song that I might want to change.
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Re: Headphones or Speakers ?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2016, 08:22:32 pm »
I had a pair of cheap speakers (40-50 dollars, i don´t remember) and one headphones with much better quality ,the Sony NWZ-WH303 (I´m not saying that they´re awesome and the best but are better than the speakers)

Should I start to produce more with the headphones ? How good are they?

Ahhh man, this is one of those questions everyone starting out has. I went through it myself and did a lot of research so I'll attempt to shed some light :)

So, to make sure I understand your question, you're asking if you should produce on your headphones as opposed to speakers since your headphones are higher quality, and if so, what might you be missing out on by not using monitor speakers?

So, the headphones you have are indeed pretty decent, though they are NOT what one would call studio headphones. They seem like they're made for recreational use. The difference is that studio headphones have a "flat" frequency response and are very honest, whereas recreational headphones boost the bass and treble like crazy to make it seem like everything sounds better on them :) However, this is more of an issue for MIXING, not necessarily when you're first starting to produce and just playing around with sounds and building your track. Mixing and producing DO go hand in hand however, so you might want to look into a pair of studio headphones.

There are 2 main types of studio headphones - closed back and open back. Closed back are like what you have, and open back are, ...um... open on the outside haha. If you are in a quiet home studio open headphones will sound better, but if you're in noisy environments or produce on the train or on the bus or in coffee shops go wth closed back headphones.

The most popular closed back cans people recommend are Audio Technica ATHm50x. They're around $160, but you can def get cheaper headphones, I'll put a list of resources for you to research (based on your budget of course) at the bottom.

Ok, so your cheap speakers are not going to do you many favors when producing or mixing or anything. You should keep them though, because they say to get the best mix possible you should be auditioning your tracks all over the place - cheap speakers, cheap earbuds, car stereo, etc etc. Basically get as many different "looks" at your track as you can on different systems.

For proper studio monitor speakers, it's kind of like studio headphones. There are a ton to choose from. As people in this thread have mentioned, with monitor speakers you'll feel and hear the low-end of your music more. If you forced me to choose yes or no, then YES, it IS better to produce and mix on monitor speakers as opposed to headphones. But again, there are many degrees of truth here. Many famous producers have had great results using really crappy gear, and not even having monitor speakers for instance.

So, to recap & conclude - you can absolutely produce w the headphones you have, because why not, people have had to make do w worse :P Is it ideal? No. For a more ideal setup, find yourself some studio headphones (open or closed back depending on ur situation). Your existing cheap speakers should be used to occasionally listen to your mix for reference, but probably won't make the best monitors. If you can afford it, you should buy some monitors.

Educate yourself on this stuff and you should get an idea for what to buy. Here is some recommended reading, I found these guides to be some of the most well informed (and they're beginner friendly):