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Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« on: August 17, 2016, 05:29:00 pm »
Are snares and kick supposed to be triggered at the same time or is it normal to delay the snare by about 0.01ms?

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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2016, 05:49:57 pm »
Depends on the sound that you're going for. If you're doing a genre like dubstep it would be in your best interested to have them hit at the same time but if you're making something like complextro, it might better to have it come in slightly before the kick to have that extra crunch ;P
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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2016, 06:26:37 pm »
timing differences is rather tough to control and i personally couldn't get the samples to sit right, just by nudging them.


I have a drum machine/sampler, that allows me to adjust the decay and attack of the samples. I also use layers to create one drum sound, as well as rendering out the layers into one take,and then slightly adjusting the attack and decay even more.


You can make a drum beat how ever you want it to sound like, but if we're talking technicality here, it'd be wise to mix your song with a 4x4 beat in mind. Then you have that option available to you. Unless you definitely know you won't be having kick and snare on top of each other. Use the reference point to mix with given the song's components.
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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 06:10:36 pm »
Just like flash said, it all depends on your preference. I usually layer my clap/snares 2-3 layers and I play with swinging them just slightly to cut through the mix and cradle the kick.

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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 09:15:09 pm »
i personally say they are supposed to be triggered at the same time and sometimes possibly sidechain to the kick so it comes in cleaner

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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2016, 09:46:11 pm »
Most of the time I don't have kicks and snares hitting at the same time because it's not 2009.

I don't layer drums that much either anymore because I'm lazy and it's easier to just pick one good sample.

That said, if I have a kick and snare together I line them up exactly. If it feels too rigid I have the rest of the drum kit to give it flavor. As a drummer with OCD it disgusts me to see an element off time throughout a whole track. Also it sounds dated.

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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2016, 06:01:26 am »
It depends on the genre.

In progressive house yes.
In uplifting trance yes.
In dubstep no.
In d&b no.

See where I'm going here?
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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2016, 08:17:24 am »
It depends on the genre.

In progressive house yes.
In uplifting trance yes.
In dubstep no.
In d&b no.

See where I'm going here?


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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 04:43:30 pm »
It depends on the genre.

In progressive house yes.
In uplifting trance yes.
In dubstep no.
In d&b no.

See where I'm going here?


BUT YOU'RE SUPPOSE TO BREAK THE MOLD THOUGH.


plus there's a few tunes in the d and b and dubstep genre where kicks and snares(or claps) do smash at the same time....


It just depends on on what you want in your track. Because you will have to compensate for a particular reference point with pattern creation or sound design.
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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2016, 01:13:36 pm »
I heard somewhere that snares hitting slightly before the kick contribute to a quicker, more tense feel to the song, while snares/claps hitting slightly after the kick contribute to a more slow and relaxed feel. In my experience it's kind of true and definitely something to play around with.

We're talking like tiny little fractions of a beat though, nothing significant or really immediately noticeable.

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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2016, 04:04:30 pm »
I heard somewhere that snares hitting slightly before the kick contribute to a quicker, more tense feel to the song, while snares/claps hitting slightly after the kick contribute to a more slow and relaxed feel.

This has to deal with the fact that the human ear is really good at noticing when something is out of place. In fact, from an evolutionary standpoint we have one of the most developed senses of pattern recognition of any species. So those minor deviations are detected but not really consciously perceived.

You can apply that same sort of timing discrepancy to any instrument, by pretending that the person playing it is either energetic or lazy. If your drummer is really excited, even if they've got a great sense of timing they're gonna be charged up to hit that snare drum - so they will jump a bit ahead of the beat, making everything feel a bit faster as he just wants to get to that next snare hit ASAP. If your drummer is feeling lazy (or maybe he got too stoned before the show), he'll be playing catch-up with the beat and lackadaisically taps the snare drum when he needs to.

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Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2016, 04:35:47 pm »
My best guess was he meant chopping the drum tracks vertically at kick drum hit points and slide all the kick drum parts in time. All tracks.

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Re: Are snares and kicks supposed to hit at the same time?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2016, 06:23:32 pm »
The real question is do they fit together well in the specific case you're asking about.