Author Topic: What do you think about controlled clipping? Do you use that technique? :O  (Read 13439 times)

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I've seen a couple musicians talk about it yet most mixing engineers I've talked with told me to always avoid clipping. :/
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They're telling you to avoid clipping because you really don't want to lose information or introduce unwanted distortion. You want you signal to come in at a decent level, but you don't want them to get too hot. Once that clipping is baked into the audio file, it's there forever. So when recording audio or mixing in anything lower than 32-bit floating point, where going over 0 = Gone Foreverâ„¢, you should heed their advice and not let your master fader ever go above 0 dB.

This is different from purposefully clipping something because of the sound it produces, and the perceived loudness increase that results. Anything that someone says "Always Do X" or "Never Do Y" should have a giant qualifier after it that says "Unless you WANT that effect." Adding a clipping plugin like Kazrog's KClip to your drums bus, for example, can increase the apparent loudness without damaging the sound quality or increasing the signal level, because there isn't that much critical information to lose and the distortion is often masked by how short and percussive drum hits tend to be. Here's a pretty good example of what I'm referring to.

I personally have KClip sitting on my master channel as part of my loudness chain, and usually get get it between 3-6 dB of loudness increase without any audible degradation of sound quality. Keep in mind that these do not make the OUTPUT clip, because then there will be distortion when it's sent to my speaker cones and I don't want that. This clipper is sitting before my master limiter, which has a ceiling of -0.3 dB. That way the only clipping I have is the clipping I chose to put there.
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The title says 'controlled clipping'. Something that's under control can't be bad. :)

Take a look at this topic:

https://theproducersforum.com/index.php?topic=4351.msg22662#msg22662

It's an example of 'controlled' (parallel) clipping.

It won't work on all music bit it's worth a try.
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Something that's under control can't be bad. :)

This is a great point to keep in mind.

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We could talk about the philosophy of control, but given the context of music......it shouldn't be bad lol
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Something that's under control can't be bad. :)

This is a great point to keep in mind.
This applies to like the .05% of producers that actually know what they're doing. I'd just go ahead and tell everyone not to do it to be safe-the people that have the understanding to pull it off will figure it out on their own.

That said, when I'm doing my final mixes and masters I try to put my head down and trust my ears instead of focusing on the meters so occasionally I can go a little hot. It's all about staying transparent though imo.

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This applies to like the .05% of producers that actually know what they're doing. I'd just go ahead and tell everyone not to do it to be safe-the people that have the understanding to pull it off will figure it out on their own.

That said, when I'm doing my final mixes and masters I try to put my head down and trust my ears instead of focusing on the meters so occasionally I can go a little hot. It's all about staying transparent though imo.

That's how some recordings got their sound, so to not even mention it removes literally years of history that's behind music production and recording.

I think that information would apply mostly to people who are literally antagonized by having a clipped signal and can't seem to root out the problem, given the tool box and resources available.
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This applies to like the .05% of producers that actually know what they're doing. I'd just go ahead and tell everyone not to do it to be safe-the people that have the understanding to pull it off will figure it out on their own.

That said, when I'm doing my final mixes and masters I try to put my head down and trust my ears instead of focusing on the meters so occasionally I can go a little hot. It's all about staying transparent though imo.

That's how some recordings got their sound, so to not even mention it removes literally years of history that's behind music production and recording.


I disagree with half of this. Yes, some controlled soft clipping has shaped the outer veneer of a few tracks, but to imply it constitutes some piece of noteworthy music history undermines the real innovations that have happened.

And obviously this is in regards to clipping as the OP presented it, not as in general distortion.

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Note that a hard clipper is a limiter, with zero attack and zero release. You can use it for reducing peak levels just like you use a limiter. The benefit of doing this with a clipper is that you reduce the overall loudness as little as possible. It's a great tool, and simple as hell to use, because you only have one parameter to adjust.

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I disagree with half of this. Yes, some controlled soft clipping has shaped the outer veneer of a few tracks, but to imply it constitutes some piece of noteworthy music history undermines the real innovations that have happened.

And obviously this is in regards to clipping as the OP presented it, not as in general distortion.

distortion is just controlled clipping and a form of compression due to the signal being over driven.

There's distortion in a lot of old tracks, as you might suspect, due to the signal being driven harder than usual (aka clipping) with out the use of a distortion  unit. There's also several instances in specific parts, where the signal is over driven, just by going in to hot into the microphone. So i'll go ahead and say that it's pretty apparent in the more recent events of recording history(you know Thomas Edison and Emile Berliner).

There's several instances where it still makes sense today, even though it may be masked differently. as you've said before.

Also, depending at what point the signal is being clipped is another instance of inquiry.


If it's controlled properly, there shouldn't be a problem in this context. You might be getting something totally different due to that hotter than normal signal, but that may be desired.



Edit:http://therecordingrevolution.com/2014/02/12/stop-recording-so-hot-into-your-daw/

Consider the recording techniques described in the link to see how you can apply it to your daw.
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