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Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« on: January 06, 2016, 07:37:57 pm »
I've been producing music casually for around a couple of years or so now. I don't know much in the way of music theory but I know enough to get by. I've transitioned from FL Studio to Ableton Live which I think has been a major boost for my productivity workflow as it suits me better, but as of late I always hit one problem:

I can't finish a track. I just can't. 9 times out of 10 I'm perfectly able to flesh out an intro, but after that point I always get stuck. Sometimes I can hear what comes next in my head but can't recreate the sound, but most of the time I just straight up don't know where to go from there.

It's holding me back from putting together anything longer than 1 minute 30 which is seriously killing my vibe.

Open to exploring any advice you can throw at me. Cheers!

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 07:50:16 pm »
Take a track from whatever genre you're producing, drop it into ableton and break your arrangement into sections of 8-16 bars. You'll have a general template for said genre at which point you can take your idea and fit it into the template. This was probably the one thing that really helped me go from 16 bar loops to finishing tracks within the past year. And just go with your ideas, write them out and don't worry about sounds initially. Just get something down and then you can mess with the sound until your ears fall off.

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 09:24:38 pm »
If you can hear it in your head, then it sounds like it's just a matter of production skill. This is a much easier problem to fix than if youre just drawing a blank. If I were you, I would just get better at remaking sounds. You could get Syntorial, or (to save $130,) you could just remake songs from beginning to end.

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 09:32:18 pm »
One technique that I've seen that helps you make a framework is that you make your "drop" first. it does sound like its more of a not being able to get your sound right (which you might just have to sample hunt to find something you can use). But once you make the main section just slowly tear away bits and you can make an intro, a bridge, outro. Then just change up the second "drop" and you'll have a basic framework for a song.

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2016, 10:17:46 pm »
What helps me is if i cannot create a great drop but i have a good verse is that i wait awhile. Then i try again but sometimes i try the drop in another key then transpose it back. Also if i cant find anything in the key i try using modes.

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2016, 10:26:39 pm »
I had this problem a long time too. Don't worry though. Finishing tracks will come naturally when you improve your production and song writing skills. Its all about learning as much as possible and then it will come naturally. Don't force yourself to finish stuff.

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2016, 10:31:00 pm »
I had this problem a long time too. Don't worry though. Finishing tracks will come naturally when you improve your production and song writing skills. Its all about learning as much as possible and then it will come naturally. Don't force yourself to finish stuff.

I disagree. Do force yourself to finish stuff. You will not get better at things you don't practice.

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2016, 11:23:58 pm »
I would suggest arranging the track so the drums are fully laid out. Intro, break, drop, break, outro depending on the genre. Get the drums layed out and hopefully you have a bit of a groove seeing as you are saying you can manage to get an intro. Keep adding to it and I promise you more ideas will come. If you have a bass line try throwing that melody in as your lead saw and build it into chords for your drop. That is sort of the reverse way of doing it (sort of). But that may help. PM me if you like.
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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2016, 11:31:18 pm »
Tracking out your entire song's drums to determine the arrangement actually sounds like an awesome way to teach yourself how to be really creative with fills and single shot percussion, too!

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2016, 12:11:21 am »
Tracking out your entire song's drums to determine the arrangement actually sounds like an awesome way to teach yourself how to be really creative with fills and single shot percussion, too!

I have found most recently that it really motivates me to keep going. It keeps things exciting and prevents me from getting stuck in a loop (aka working on the same area for hours/"too long")

I call it forming the shell of the track. Or the foundation...or some other catchy analogy
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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2016, 12:29:58 am »
Not being able to finish a track is completely normal, It's been almost a year since I've finished one, but then again, I didn't produce for 6 of those
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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 12:54:19 am »
I have sooo so many unfinished tracks. When I find myself uninspired and not wanting to a finish a track I strip the song for parts (saving all the cool synths and samples and ideas), move on and apply those to future songs.  Eventually you'll have a bank of all these awesome sounds and ideas that will culminate into a very satisfying finished product of all the stuff you love from your past songs.

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 01:02:55 am »
You need to balance production with someone else so you don't burn your brain out.
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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 01:06:21 am »

I disagree. Do force yourself to finish stuff. You will not get better at things you don't practice.

i can't emphasize how important it is to learn to finish stuff. i finish most of what i start, even if i know it's going to fall short in the end. for every 10 tracks i finish, maybe 1-2 of them is strong enough to release. those 1-2 tracks wouldn't ever happen if i didn't force myself to continually finish projects because with each project you bring to completion, you're exponentially better/faster.

my first track took me 6 months to finish, and my second one took a month. my third took two weeks and for a while i was able to finish 1 track a week. now i'm at a point where if i really want to / have the right idea, i can finish it in a day for the most part with the exception of mix tweaks and other production nuances

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Re: Can't ever seem to finish a track; advice?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 01:54:12 am »
It comes with a bit of time and dedication. It took me quite a long time to actually sit down and finish something structurally. What did it for me was a remix competition. The deadline actually helped me focus on it and shut other stuff out. It didn't make me rush it but the looming deadline made me not get too bogged down in certain areas. I had also made peace with the fact that it wouldn't be a masterpiece, but it was all about baby steps, and that was the step I wanted/needed to take to move on. it gives you the confidence to break through what can feel like a brick wall of frustration and 'I'm shit at this' that makes you open your DAW then open iTunes instead. It's part of the learning curve that'll get you towards where you want to be.

A mate once said to me on this subject 'learn from everything you do and try not to be too critical of yourself.' It works, even if you don't know you're doing it!

I'm by no means an expert producer, I'm still a newbie. I read and re-read things that will boggle me for a time, until it clicks, and the satisfaction I draw from being able to understand and apply things is what keeps me going. That counts for all areas of the process. It helps you learn invaluable stuff, too. I can't wait to upload my current WIP on here and have it pulled apart for that reason!

Also trying to start with something other than the intro might help you a bit. The track I'm working on at the minute doesn't have an intro yet, I'll just strip back some of the other parts and make it work, either when it comes to me or whe it's the only thing left to do.

Stuck with it.