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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2016, 04:24:33 pm »
me:"Yo pop (my father) i want to do music for the rest of my life."

pop:"Ok good, get your engineering degree and buy a guitar."

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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2016, 05:50:26 pm »
Lol thread hijack

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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2016, 07:51:22 pm »
Lol thread hijack

"Should I Drop Out Of School To Pursue Music?"

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this isn't 4chan....
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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2016, 12:44:29 am »
I feel like writing things unfit for this forum.  I don´t get how some are so narrow-minded, that they think that everybody has equal opportunities as themselves.
I sincerely hope that the music works out for you, atilla.  If not I really hope you will not be stuck serving tables at 40, with no plan b, just because you did not get the "full time" results you so boldly proclaim.

Equal opportunities? Its a serving job not an inheritance. Its one of the easiest, most menial jobs in the world that's readily available.

I can't believe how anyone here is bashing commitment to what this forums about. No producer put in "one good hour" a day and got anywhere. And don't even try to proclaim the merits of a plan b. If you're passionate, go all in and make it happen. If you have a backup plan, save yourself time and stop now-it'll become your plan a when life gets hard.

Your situation doesn't matter. As long as you're old enough to work and have a passport, nothings holding you back from moving and starting your own life. I can see a lot of white knight forums dads coming out to talk about practicality and "that's crazy, think about your future" but its all nonsense. This is one of the hardest industries in the world. If you're not committed and putting in the work, admit you're a hobbyist and stop telling new producers what they can't achieve.
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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2016, 01:12:11 am »
Equal opportunities? Its a serving job not an inheritance. Its one of the easiest, most menial jobs in the world that's readily available.

I can't believe how anyone here is bashing commitment to what this forums about. No producer put in "one good hour" a day and got anywhere. And don't even try to proclaim the merits of a plan b. If you're passionate, go all in and make it happen. If you have a backup plan, save yourself time and stop now-it'll become your plan a when life gets hard.

Your situation doesn't matter. As long as you're old enough to work and have a passport, nothings holding you back from moving and starting your own life. I can see a lot of white knight forums dads coming out to talk about practicality and "that's crazy, think about your future" but its all nonsense. This is one of the hardest industries in the world. If you're not committed and putting in the work, admit you're a hobbyist and stop telling new producers what they can't achieve.

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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2016, 08:17:30 am »
Hobbyist here. This thread has made me consider becoming a part-time waiter. Never knew that shit pays so well.

Oh wait, it doesn't: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-much-do-waiters-really-earn-in-tips/385515/

How much time should I devote to searching for that part time job that pays 30$ per hour? I don't want my job search to interfere too much with my music.

EDIT: I realized that this may come off as I'm shitting on your life choices, attila. I'm not, I actually have huge respect for people that can take control of their life like you. I just want to point out that I believe you're painting a bit too rosy a picture of life.
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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2016, 05:13:38 pm »
I feel like writing things unfit for this forum.  I don´t get how some are so narrow-minded, that they think that everybody has equal opportunities as themselves.
I sincerely hope that the music works out for you, atilla.  If not I really hope you will not be stuck serving tables at 40, with no plan b, just because you did not get the "full time" results you so boldly proclaim.

Equal opportunities? Its a serving job not an inheritance. Its one of the easiest, most menial jobs in the world that's readily available.

I can't believe how anyone here is bashing commitment to what this forums about. No producer put in "one good hour" a day and got anywhere. And don't even try to proclaim the merits of a plan b. If you're passionate, go all in and make it happen. If you have a backup plan, save yourself time and stop now-it'll become your plan a when life gets hard.

Your situation doesn't matter. As long as you're old enough to work and have a passport, nothings holding you back from moving and starting your own life. I can see a lot of white knight forums dads coming out to talk about practicality and "that's crazy, think about your future" but its all nonsense. This is one of the hardest industries in the world. If you're not committed and putting in the work, admit you're a hobbyist and stop telling new producers what they can't achieve.

Well, I´m happy to read that any kid from an African country can make a living by serving tables while working hard on making it big in the music business...  You have probably found the solution to all world problems.
I meant it when I wrote that I hope this works for you, but your view that this can be applied to everyone, anywhere, makes me think that a bit more school probably wouldn´t hurt you.
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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2016, 05:18:28 pm »
You have probably found the solution to all world problems.


i think bill gates beat him by a day.

the answer is chickens, btw.
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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2016, 10:03:46 pm »

Well, I´m happy to read that any kid from an African country can make a living by serving tables while working hard on making it big in the music business...

You do realize Africa isn't just one giant desert with impoverished villages right? There are plenty of huge music producers in Africa that started out just like anyone in the US or Europe. Like this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Jazzy) who moved to the UK when he was 18 and worked in restaurants while building his music career. Dude has a net worth bigger than almost any producer any of us look up to.

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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2016, 10:37:05 pm »
I think you can go to school and devote yourself to music. In the most extreme example, you can go to school for a degree in music or enroll in a music school like Icon. You can also minor in music while majoring in something else that you're passionate about. You can find a stable but fulfilling career path, and spend your spare time working on music. If you're young, I encourage that you consider something like this. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life when I graduated high school. I'm only just now discovering it, and I'm in my mid twenties.

What you want to do for the rest of your life might change, and odds are that it'll will - and it will change more than once. The hard part is making sure that no matter what, you're going towards things that inspire you and make you feel worthwhile. Besides, it's not like you have to JUST do one thing with your life. Having just one label people can slap on you is convenient but boring. Be multifaceted instead.

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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2016, 11:40:50 pm »
There's a well trained classical pianist who does work with CERN....


Well, I´m happy to read that any kid from an African country can make a living by serving tables while working hard on making it big in the music business...

You do realize Africa isn't just one giant desert with impoverished villages right? There are plenty of huge music producers in Africa that started out just like anyone in the US or Europe. Like this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Jazzy) who moved to the UK when he was 18 and worked in restaurants while building his music career. Dude has a net worth bigger than almost any producer any of us look up to.

Winners look for opportunities, settlers find obstacles.

That's fine. but I bet that person was also focused on music exclusively.

you're also focusing all of your efforts on to one person, and not the entirely of the country and the entirely of every one's interest.

People might have other considerations as to the life of a musician, which isn't easy by any means. They also might have talents that lie else where.

But to blindly give advice based on your situation, and not understanding the person who is asking the question, is just bad teaching. and poor advice to give.

If you're not with out empathy, then i don't see how you(general) can be in any sort of position to teach.

Tailor the advice best suited to the individual, and be a great teacher. That takes much more skill, and we can use a lot more of it.

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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2016, 12:24:29 am »
There's a well trained classical pianist who does work with CERN....


Well, I´m happy to read that any kid from an African country can make a living by serving tables while working hard on making it big in the music business...

You do realize Africa isn't just one giant desert with impoverished villages right? There are plenty of huge music producers in Africa that started out just like anyone in the US or Europe. Like this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Jazzy) who moved to the UK when he was 18 and worked in restaurants while building his music career. Dude has a net worth bigger than almost any producer any of us look up to.

Winners look for opportunities, settlers find obstacles.

That's fine. but I bet that person was also focused on music exclusively.

you're also focusing all of your efforts on to one person, and not the entirely of the country and the entirely of every one's interest.

People might have other considerations as to the life of a musician, which isn't easy by any means. They also might have talents that lie else where.

But to blindly give advice based on your situation, and not understanding the person who is asking the question, is just bad teaching. and poor advice to give.

If you're not with out empathy, then i don't see how you(general) can be in any sort of position to teach.

Tailor the advice best suited to the individual, and be a great teacher. That takes much more skill, and we can use a lot more of it.

I'm not writing blindly, I'm giving my experience because my story started much the same as the OP's. Turkish family wanted me to become a doctor or lawyer and thought music was a waste of time (starting about 15 years ago). I kept working on stuff through school whenever I could and left the country when I was 18. Traveled around, hopped around a bunch of jobs and landed where I am now. Dropped out of music school a few years early because the program director told me there wasn't much left for me to learn and production was already taking up the bulk of my time. Now that music's starting to bring in money and everything's working, my family's happy I didn't listen to them.

To the OP-your parents don't think with their heads, they think with their hearts. They want your life to be stable so they're not stressed out all the time, it's gut-wrenching to see your child struggle etc... The problem is, their ideas don't jive with yours because they lived a life of logic instead of passion, and people who've dedicated themselves to a life of logic can't wrap their heads around someone living a life of passion. It's not unfounded-pursuing music, logically, is a really bad idea. You'll, statistically, almost certainly never get anywhere, and just set yourself back when you accept the alternate career path they wanted you to start in the first place. The good news is, the vast majority of musicians are absolute trash and lazy to no end. So if you have any streak of originality and a good work ethic, it's completely doable if you bust your ass.

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Re: I'm Literally F**ked Right Now.
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2016, 01:11:30 am »
I'm not writing blindly, I'm giving my experience because my story started much the same as the OP's. Turkish family wanted me to become a doctor or lawyer and thought music was a waste of time (starting about 15 years ago). I kept working on stuff through school whenever I could and left the country when I was 18. Traveled around, hopped around a bunch of jobs and landed where I am now. Dropped out of music school a few years early because the program director told me there wasn't much left for me to learn and production was already taking up the bulk of my time. Now that music's starting to bring in money and everything's working, my family's happy I didn't listen to them.

To the OP-your parents don't think with their heads, they think with their hearts. They want your life to be stable so they're not stressed out all the time, it's gut-wrenching to see your child struggle etc... The problem is, their ideas don't jive with yours because they lived a life of logic instead of passion, and people who've dedicated themselves to a life of logic can't wrap their heads around someone living a life of passion. It's not unfounded-pursuing music, logically, is a really bad idea. You'll, statistically, almost certainly never get anywhere, and just set yourself back when you accept the alternate career path they wanted you to start in the first place. The good news is, the vast majority of musicians are absolute trash and lazy to no end. So if you have any streak of originality and a good work ethic, it's completely doable if you bust your ass.

Good shit. and honest.

But i will say this with utmost care, not every one has that charisma. it's a challenge to even find people to trust in the world of snakes and bandits.

Only the person can come to a conclusion about the path they wish to walk.

I personally try to seek the balance of logic and passion. In most cases, one speaks ill of the other, with out considering what that other has to offer. and quite frankly, you can be better at what ever you do if you have understanding and knowledge of the other.

Hence my suggestion at the classically trained pianist who works with CERN (cutting edge of physics).

To receive a well rounded education in the science and arts is a fantastic thing to have and makes you very dangerous to other less educated people and understanding.

I've found that many people on the forum are of that advice giving as well.



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