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I'm a bit confused when I write chord progressions. I've learn what diatonic chords are and I'm trying to write some progressions but I keep getting stuck with progressions that sound bad the first time you hear it then slowly sounds normal and its really annoying. This current project I'm writing it in F minor. My question is: When writing chords in a project, in whatever key (e.g. F minor) should I always use diatonic chords of that key (e.g. always use diatonic chords of F minor with my chord progressions) or just go with what sounds good and make random chords?

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A post so nice, you made it twice!

To answer your question: There is no "always" in music, either for theory or for engineering. There are guidelines based off of centuries of people experimenting and trying to find out what works and what doesn't, but nothing is ever set in stone. You can write plenty of fantastic chord progressions using only diatonic chords - in fact some of the best songs you've heard use just four diatonic chords: the I, the V, the vi, and the IV.

The real magic for writing a chord progression is how you voice the chord - i.e, how you move notes from one chord to the next. I'm only just now starting to learn these rules in my theory classes, but the basic idea is so simple anyone could grasp it: The best voicings are the ones that require the least amount of movement between notes.

Here's a chord progression you could use to try and practice proper voicing: iii - vi - ii - V - I

Use different inversions of each chord to try and move as few notes as possible. If two chords share the same note or multiple notes, just keep them in the same spot and try to move the other notes. 

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NO

My favorite chord progressions have almost always been undiatonic in nature. Using diatonic chords as your primary framework to work from makes it easier to know which chords are considered "weird" or not.
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So it wont sounds weird with a chord progression that is undiotonic under a melody in a certain key?

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So it wont sounds weird with a chord progression that is undiotonic under a melody in a certain key?

As long as you adjust the melody to the chord tones then no. It won't sound weird.

Music that is perfectly diatonic contains no accidentals or chromatics. That to me would be quite bland.
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I would strongly suggest enrolling in an music theory course, either online or at your local community college, and going through the various steps. Theory is something that can be grasped through experience and cobbled together factoids, but it can get extremely confusing if you do that and the more confusing something is, the less likely we are to experiment with it and discover new things!

Try to remember that if they have a name for chords that only use notes from the scale, then logically there should be chords that do NOT use notes from the scale - otherwise diatonic chords would just be called chords! As you start learning about the different scales and their relationships to each other, you'll learn how enharmonic notes (the same pitch w/ two names) and enharmonic chords will start to play a role.

For example, let's look at the good old Augmented Triad - A root, a major third, and an augmented fifth; or a major third with a major third on top of it. If I play the C Augmented triad, we have C E and G-sharp. If I play the E Augmented triad, we have E, G-sharp, and B-sharp. If I play the G-Sharp major triad, we have G-sharp, B-sharp, and D-double sharp.

Double sharps are weird though, so let's use those enharmonic notes. G-sharp is also A-flat, B-sharp is also C natural (check your piano roll), and D-double sharp is also E natural.

So for our three augmented triads, we have:

C E G#(Ab)
E G#(Ab) B#(C)
Ab C E (or G# B# D##)

That one chord can now represent three separate chords that will all essentially sound the same, and that follows for every other augmented triad on the keyboard. That lets you modulate keys, utilize notes not found in the major scale, and transition from diatonic to non-diatonic chords and back again.