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How long do you take to write a full song?
« on: May 01, 2016, 11:41:53 pm »
Only the composing part, and leaving mixing/mastering aside.
Usually it takes me 5/10 days if I really put the effort in to it, otherwise it can take weeks.
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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 11:56:23 pm »
depends on your inspiration i think


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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2016, 12:35:54 am »
The more you do it, the easier it gets - and there are a few tricks to speed you along the way whenever you get stuck. A year or two ago, a song would have taken a month or more to get past a loop, and I'm just now getting to the point where I can get the track arranged and mostly composed in about 4-5 hours of solid work over a day or two.

The hard part is finding time to finish them between homework and classes.  :'(

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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 02:55:15 am »
I can literally write a song in 4 hours
That's melody, bass, drums.

Depending on the mood i am going for, or the type of genre and date style i want, i'll add or add very little.

But i try to focus on what makes that particular genre during the time period work.

You can definitely speed up the process by not focusing to hard on one thing, and just getting little snippits done.

Then move  into focus mode when you have the foundation done.
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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 03:21:50 am »
Just the composing part? On average, it ranges between 1 minute to 20 minutes.

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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 03:49:38 am »
One hour is really comfortable for me to figure out what I want to do with the track from a melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic perspective.

It really just depends on the form of the song combined with the complexity of the musical content. I like to think in themes so if a song is based on just an A section then it'll naturally take less time than if It were to contain an A, B, and C section.

If I'm writing with traditional part-writing/counterpoint in mind or start working with extended chords then things can take longer.
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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 05:05:16 am »
Probably something like one hour for a 3-4 minute track. But I never do it in one sitting, I like to design sounds and mix as I go, so it's hard to estimate.

@Mussar, would be cool to hear some of those tricks  8)

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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 06:36:35 am »
Just the composing part? On average, it ranges between 1 minute to 20 minutes.
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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 07:00:55 am »
Ah, now you´re just provoking here.  Wish I had that gift.

Haha... don't mean to, buddy. But I rely on that skill as part of my job. ;) You kinda have to be able to do that when you have ridiculously tight 4 hour deadlines on an almost daily basis.

I believe that it's all a matter of practice. If you do something every single day, you will get good and fast at it. I think also that listening to a lot of good music every day helps too.

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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2016, 02:32:40 pm »
@Mussar, would be cool to hear some of those tricks  8)

They're the same tricks you'll find in most youtube tutorials or "workflow optimization" lectures -

1. Analyze a lot of other people's music to see how they construct their tracks and to steal their chord progressions for later use (I have a little notebook that I've been filling with progressions from classical music and jazz lately, for example). Copy down their basic song structure (i.e. 16 bar intro, 12 bar verse, 8 bar chorus, etc.) so if you're ever feeling uninspired you can just put down that arrangement skeleton and use it as a reference.

2. Practice iterative production and subtractive arrangement - if you can't get a great loop going on your first try, don't try to get a great loop going. Just build a mediocre loop, then duplicate it out and test out variations on that until something cooler comes up. If it's not interesting enough yet, just duplicate it out and make a few more minor changes. Alternately, keep stacking related ideas on top of each other for the same 4, 8, or 16 bar loop until it sounds like there's probably one or two elements that are pushing it over the top into the realm of "too busy." Then just duplicate out that loop until you've filled up however long your arrangement should be. Usually you'll get a feeling, but don't be afraid to just copy the length of another song or pick the arbitrary 3:15-3:45 "made for radio" duration.  Once you have that, mark off the arrangement and just delete whatever shouldn't be in those sections. No drums in the breakdown, no bassline in the intro or outro, etc. You'd be amazed at how much faster you'll get to a finished track just by practicing the subtractive arrangement concept.

3. Stockpile ideas, even without creating songs. Devote time just to writing chord progressions or melodies or drum loops that you can save on your hard drive for later. Set aside time specifically to design bass patches and create an archive of sampled one shots and reverb tails and white noise sweeps with different automations and lengths and all that good stuff. Go through all your old projects and gut them for spare parts - Synth presets, FX chains, even musical content (best with unreleased and abandoned music, obviously). I know Deadmau5 for example can bring a lot of his tracks together extremely quickly just because he has folders upon folders of MIDI files that he's written and saved - once he's ready for arranging and orchestrating he can just drag and drop.


There's probably more, but these will probably be a good place to start. :P

Ninja Edit: To echo what ZAU said, it really is all a matter of practice. The more focused and direct effort you put into achieving your goal, the greater the returns on your work. Don't just dick around in you DAW trying to write a song - plan your actions, then follow through on those plans.

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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 02:44:32 pm »
the last song I finished was back in February. it took me about 80-90 hours iirc. I've only actually finished about 10 songs in the whole 3 years I've been producing because I scrap so many ideas or get stuck on 8 bar loops

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Re: How long do you take to write a full song?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2016, 07:47:08 am »
I always say, it takes me one session to get a song to 80%. Its the other 20% that takes 100 hours.