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Coming from a house music background I have created a number of kicks for most subgenres. However more hip-hop/808 inspired kicks that are found in allot of hybrid genres is something I cannot get sounding right. My current mission is to be able to make the super heavy kicks you can hear in the following three tracks.

https://soundcloud.com/luckyme/advent-16 (A. G. Cook - Beautiful (Rustie Edit)
https://soundcloud.com/luximpala/frontin-1 (lux.impala Frontin')
https://soundcloud.com/bydaruma/baht-daruma-vol-002-13-greaser (baht-greaser)

It seems to me that they all have a transient kick and then the bass of the kick seperate. If anyone knows any tips to make these kicks in a softsynth or kick vst that be v helpfull. Also if anyone has any solid 808 adivce in general that would be much appreciated.
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Re: Making hip-hop inspired booming kicks(rustie,lux.impala.baht,daruma)
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2016, 09:23:13 pm »
Step 1. Find Kick Sample. You already have them, so just pick one that works.

Step 2. Play a sine wave in the 30-60 Hz range, depending upon the key of your track. Every single DAW has a simple synthesizer that can do this, and most if not all DAWs have a visual indicator of frequency to note connection.

Step 3. Place slight saturation on that sine wave (optional, so it can show up better on laptop speakers)

Step 4. Put a compressor on top of the sine wave, sidechained to the signal of your kick so it ducks every time the kick hits.

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Re: Making hip-hop inspired booming kicks(rustie,lux.impala.baht,daruma)
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2016, 11:06:11 pm »
I've heard some people bus the kick and sub instead of sidechaining, so it acts more like glue, but that saps the kick a bit. It could work with a little attack on the sub, though.

Saw the title and thought it was going to be about the more "acoustic" type kicks that have been getting popular lately, like this.

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Re: Making hip-hop inspired booming kicks(rustie,lux.impala.baht,daruma)
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2016, 12:11:06 am »
I've been looking into bussing my sub bass and kick together for a low end submix anyways, so I'll try that. My main concern comes wth any variations in the kick pattern - I like to play with little kick fills and I want each thump to really cut through the mix.

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Re: Making hip-hop inspired booming kicks(rustie,lux.impala.baht,daruma)
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2016, 12:28:29 am »
After research and testing for I believe I found the composition of these kicks. I made a diagram in paint to show my theory.
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Re: Making hip-hop inspired booming kicks(rustie,lux.impala.baht,daruma)
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 02:09:56 pm »
don't over think it. its a sub, you want it to be clean and simple. i know nghtmare uses the "hip hop sub bass" preset in ableton's instrument rack for most of his subs.

just take a sin wave, saturate it and add a little distortion. If you want that booming kick, find a kick sample and layer it. I don't recommend ducking your sub around the kick because the attack is never perfect and you don't want your sub swooping in at some weird time signature, which will affect the grooves in your track whether you realize it or not. 2 options for this: 1) just let your kick hit on top of your sub and the distortion it creates wont be the end of the world and might sound cool on the track or 2) high pass your kick at 100 and give your sub patch a pitch envelope that matches the pitch envelope of your kick, probably starting 1 or 2 octaves up with a decay (or attack depending on how you use your envelopes) of 80-200 ms.

side note, a good way to mush your sub and kick together to sound more uniform is to filter out some of the high frequencies in the kick and then use the same saturator/distortion/whatever as your sub to give them similar tonal character.

Or you could download a hip hop 808 pack and use that. Don't kid yourself into thinking these guys design every element in their songs. Good songwriting is more important than good design. The people at ASDR or PrimeLoops have degrees in audio engineering, let them worry about designing instruments while you  focus on composition.

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Re: Making hip-hop inspired booming kicks(rustie,lux.impala.baht,daruma)
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2016, 08:24:40 am »
Another tip for the upper mid range of the kick drum - Try applying heavy limiting until it distorts the sample, then EQ to taste.  8)

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Re: Making hip-hop inspired booming kicks(rustie,lux.impala.baht,daruma)
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2016, 05:42:16 am »
Ekali sample pack has those spacious Rustie sounding kicks. Those + an analog clip saturator with the gain boosted will give you what you're looking for. I remember reading in an interview that Rustie uses analog clip a ton. Also, I find it much easier to just synthesize an 808 rather than use a sample. Its really as simple as a sine wave + a bit of distortion/bit crushing or a lowpassed square wave. I usually do that in massive then throw on a saturator on medium or hard clip and low pass again to taste. That'll get you a super fat sub that you'll be able to hear on any speakers.

One last thing, you can sidechain your 808s to your kick if you want but I've had more success just highpassing the kick at like 150-200hz and just laying it over the 808. Depends on what I'm going for, if its a slower track then I sometimes go for that ducked sidechained sound but if it's a trap banger that's usually what I do