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Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« on: January 06, 2016, 02:07:25 pm »
Hey Everyone,

This is something I've been working on for weeks now and I just can't seem to get my basses tight enough to really scrape the deepest depths of my soul like Jonas Rathsman and a few Anjunadeep artists have been doing lately.

It's that bass-but-almost-a-horn sound that they've been using a lot in recent tracks, examples below.

Examples:
1. Wolfsbane @ 1:03 - https://youtu.be/u5VYDvZT3c8?t=59s
2. New Generation @ 1:01 - https://youtu.be/WWcn1srWJfM?t=1m
3. Know Me - Meramek @ 0:31 - https://youtu.be/BfxO1-Rhgpc?t=28s

Here are my takes on it so far in Ableton using Trillian (Taurus pedals) and Diva (just messing around with automating LFOs)...my attempts include a lot of selective and sharp EQing, Overdrive, some compression and a little saturation...but they just aren't there yet.

3. https://clyp.it/4xdoiee3
4. https://clyp.it/agr2vkud

Also let me know if maybe its just my drums that suck and that's holding it back...

Any help is appreciated, thanks!
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 06:16:16 pm »
Heh, those are great sounds. I've been hearing them a lot on Anjunadeep as well. I think you're just not automating the cutoff correctly to really open the synth up. I'm not able to spit out a render at the moment, but I'm commenting for now because it is something I do want to revisit. Be back in a bit.

*Your drums are fine BTW. I'd like some tips on those shakers in Example 2 - they sound sick. :)
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 06:18:59 pm »
I second that. The drums sound fine, I dont think they're your issue
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 06:57:00 pm »
Thanks, yeah I really gotta just keep experimenting with the cutoff LFOs/envelopes...but yeah, that anjunadeep sound is what ive been going for lately.

Quote from: clearskys on January 06, 2016, 06:16:16 pm
*Your drums are fine BTW. I'd like some tips on those shakers in Example 2 - they sound sick. :)

for those shakers I layered a tambourine sample from Deadmau5's Xfer pack with another shaker sample and some EQing to give it the nice tone...and then adding swing + varying the velocities and timings (so it's not strictly to a 16th grid) does wonders...
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 01:35:01 am »
Quote from: mcgold on January 06, 2016, 02:07:25 pm
Hey Everyone,

This is something I've been working on for weeks now and I just can't seem to get my basses tight enough to really scrape the deepest depths of my soul like Jonas Rathsman and a few Anjunadeep artists have been doing lately.

It's that bass-but-almost-a-horn sound that they've been using a lot in recent tracks, examples below.

Examples:
1. Wolfsbane @ 1:03 - https://youtu.be/u5VYDvZT3c8?t=59s
2. New Generation @ 1:01 - https://youtu.be/WWcn1srWJfM?t=1m
3. Know Me - Meramek @ 0:31 - https://youtu.be/BfxO1-Rhgpc?t=28s

Here are my takes on it so far in Ableton using Trillian (Taurus pedals) and Diva (just messing around with automating LFOs)...my attempts include a lot of selective and sharp EQing, Overdrive, some compression and a little saturation...but they just aren't there yet.

3. https://clyp.it/4xdoiee3
4. https://clyp.it/agr2vkud

Also let me know if maybe its just my drums that suck and that's holding it back...

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

Hey mcgold,

Just wanted to get back to you on this as promised. So as I figured, it was an envelope issue on the filter that makes this entire sound up.

Here's my attempt: https://clyp.it/ga1a1ofi

Basically, there's 2 parts.

1. A small saw that's detuned that doesn't have the attack cut off at all, so you get the full transient through.
2. 2 saw OSCs detuned against one another slightly, with a envelope controlling the filter, which gives it that resonant, tuba-like feel. There's an attack of about 8ms on the filter, and that seems to be just right IMO. The sustain isn't all the way up - envelope looks something like this:



A big part of the sound is making sure there's a spacial component to it - I added a reverb that's about 2 seconds long with a 50% wet on it. But yeah, that's pretty much it. There's a saturator on the Horn sound to give it some grit, as well as an EQ peak decrease at around 500hz because my version was a bit muddy pre-EQ.

Let me know if you have any other questions! :)
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 02:39:44 am »
Wow! That's awesome, sounds just like Wondering!

Actually met Yotto at a show a few weeks ago and he said he uses Diva a lot for his basses, so I'll try to apply the same principles in that to get the nice analog feel it has (especially with detuned saws).

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 03:02:04 am »
Quote from: mcgold on January 07, 2016, 02:39:44 am
Wow! That's awesome, sounds just like Wondering!

Actually met Yotto at a show a few weeks ago and he said he uses Diva a lot for his basses, so I'll try to apply the same principles in that to get the nice analog feel it has (especially with detuned saws).

Thanks a lot!

Hey, no problem! Best of luck! :)
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2016, 07:22:21 pm »
I may be posting a video tutorial sometime next week of this, if not over the weekend.
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2016, 08:05:32 pm »
Quote from: clearskys on January 07, 2016, 07:22:21 pm
I may be posting a video tutorial sometime next week of this, if not over the weekend.

Yeah if you could do that and let me know when you do.. that would be like super cool. or whatever... no pressure.
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2016, 09:51:40 pm »
I went ahead and tried to make something as well, the drums are just a stock sample from vengeance just as a place holder, anyways here it is:
https://clyp.it/pr4xupmr

Let me know if you guys want me to in depth on how I made it.
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2016, 11:32:39 pm »
Been messing around with clearsky's tips

found out the best patch to start with (may have been what he started with too) is Brassinski in Ableton's Operator>Brass patches...gotta change the oscillator envelopes a bit and follow his guidance and my sound is coming out real nice
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 07:04:18 pm »
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to follow up with the promised YouTube tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmSeyFZ6Rms

I just uploaded it, so it's probably only viewable at 360p. Give it a bit to fully process the 1080p version.

Thanks, and let me know if you have any additional questions!
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 03:10:30 pm »
Interesting answers provided by all here I am passing in this post and the lei fresh and clear doubts also do a bit of deep house and I served much
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Re: Deep, Groany, Horn Bass like Jonas Rathsman/Anjunadeep
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 07:13:12 pm »
Quote from: clearskys on January 07, 2016, 01:35:01 am
Quote from: mcgold on January 06, 2016, 02:07:25 pm
Hey Everyone,

This is something I've been working on for weeks now and I just can't seem to get my basses tight enough to really scrape the deepest depths of my soul like Jonas Rathsman and a few Anjunadeep artists have been doing lately.

It's that bass-but-almost-a-horn sound that they've been using a lot in recent tracks, examples below.

Examples:
1. Wolfsbane @ 1:03 - https://youtu.be/u5VYDvZT3c8?t=59s
2. New Generation @ 1:01 - https://youtu.be/WWcn1srWJfM?t=1m
3. Know Me - Meramek @ 0:31 - https://youtu.be/BfxO1-Rhgpc?t=28s

Here are my takes on it so far in Ableton using Trillian (Taurus pedals) and Diva (just messing around with automating LFOs)...my attempts include a lot of selective and sharp EQing, Overdrive, some compression and a little saturation...but they just aren't there yet.

3. https://clyp.it/4xdoiee3
4. https://clyp.it/agr2vkud

Also let me know if maybe its just my drums that suck and that's holding it back...

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

Hey mcgold,

Just wanted to get back to you on this as promised. So as I figured, it was an envelope issue on the filter that makes this entire sound up.

Here's my attempt: https://clyp.it/ga1a1ofi

Basically, there's 2 parts.

1. A small saw that's detuned that doesn't have the attack cut off at all, so you get the full transient through.
2. 2 saw OSCs detuned against one another slightly, with a envelope controlling the filter, which gives it that resonant, tuba-like feel. There's an attack of about 8ms on the filter, and that seems to be just right IMO. The sustain isn't all the way up - envelope looks something like this:



A big part of the sound is making sure there's a spacial component to it - I added a reverb that's about 2 seconds long with a 50% wet on it. But yeah, that's pretty much it. There's a saturator on the Horn sound to give it some grit, as well as an EQ peak decrease at around 500hz because my version was a bit muddy pre-EQ.

Let me know if you have any other questions! :)

Can you provide a download link please?  :-X
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