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Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« on: March 28, 2016, 05:14:50 am »
I recently started using this plugin and although I think it's an incredibly powerful tool, I could see how some could view it as "cheating". I'm curious to hear what this community thinks about this. I think that this is a powerful plugin is because of the way it improves workflow when writing chords. It allows producers that aren't trained in music theory to get more creative with their chord progressions while also keeping everything in key.

I'd love to hear what everyone has to say about this. So what do you think, is Cthulhu viewed as "cheating" or just another great production tool?

For those that aren't familiar with Cthulhu:
Cthulhu is a chord memorizer and player. Basically, you select the type of chord you want and play a single note, and cthulhu turns it into a chord. It's also an arpeggiator. If you want to learn more about it here's the link to check it out: https://www.xferrecords.com/products/cthulhu 

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2016, 12:52:06 pm »
There's no such thing as "cheating" with chords.  Chords aren't "owned" by anyone in particular.  And unless you completely copy (plagiarize) someone's chord progressions and instruments in a song, I hardly think cheating is possible.  If you're using Cthulhu on your own, there is no way you can cheat. 

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2016, 04:37:30 pm »
If you really worry about "cheating" in music, you're worrying too much.

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2016, 09:51:07 pm »
I wouldn't say there's much anything anymore in music that counts as cheating except just straight up stealing someone else's songs.but as for this, I think it's just more lazy. I feel if you're actually trying to be really into this, you should put in the time to learn music theory, or at least the basics. Maybe using this isn't that bad (I've never used it, I don't know how it flows), but you can probably understand it and do even better if you know music theory. Relying on not having the knowledge to do something can really hold you back when it comes to other times. That's at least my opinion. :/

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2016, 10:47:05 pm »
I'm learning music theory, and Cthulhu is actually next on my list of buys - You can also import your own chord progressions into the plugin and play them back with a single midi note instead of having to draw in each note individually, which is a HUGE timesaver when it comes to changing up your chord progressions or working with huge chord stacks. Plus being able to arpeggiate your imported chord sequences by dragging a bunch of nodes feels more natural than dealing with the Ableton arpeggiator or drawing in the notes yourself.

You call it lazy, I call it efficient.

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2016, 12:10:32 pm »
Cthulhu doesn't magically give you a chord progression, it just gives you options that (kind of) sound good together. I use it sometimes. I also use one called J74 Progressive that is even more like "cheating" -- I can just choose a scale and choose among common chord progressions with a drop-down, then modify it to my liking. I like that one better because it has helped me learn music theory in much the same way that Cthulhu helped me avoid learning it.

But I hate it when anyone calls anything in music "cheating". Fortunately nobody here is calling it that. Is sampling cheating? Is using loops cheating? Using presets? Using chord-helper software? Hiring a vocalist instead of singing? Hiring a sound designer? Using a DAW instead of playing live? Using VSTs instead of hardware? I have a guitar I made myself, does that mean you're cheating if you use one you bought in a store?

Cheating requires rules. You can't cheat if there are no rules. There are a few -- like copyright law. Beyond that, if you're making music you're making music. Do whatever works for you. If you like the way it sounds, and someone else on earth likes the way it sounds... it's music. The rest is just pedantry.
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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2016, 02:05:35 pm »
Why should it be cheating? It's a great tool for inspiration, but it doesn't create a hit for you.

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2016, 03:26:09 pm »

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2016, 04:00:33 pm »

Kind of ironic how people never miss an opportunity to use that same, unaltered quote in a discussion about originality, isn't it?
To be fair, Cthulhu looks like a cool idea. Mostly because it makes composition easier and more diverse (something a lot of EDM is sorely missing), instead of making everything sound the same.
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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2016, 05:50:39 pm »
So this really reminds me of Odesi by Mixed In Key. Great tool for understanding chord progressions if you are a "visual" learner. For me, I'm not that great with reading things I don't fully understand.

Definitely would look at this as tool, not cheating. I think this can help when you hit that inevitable producer/writers block.
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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2016, 07:16:52 pm »
There's also Sundog Scale Studio, which I own: http://feelyoursound.com/sundog/

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2016, 12:32:30 am »
I saw the dilema too, so I draw the line right behind that chord generating section. That section I tend to not use. That apeggio part though... It's simply best arpeggiator on the planet. ...though I usually record midi output of it anyway and do some little edits to the result.
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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2016, 10:24:24 pm »


I guess that's why Deadmau5 keeps posting pictures of his goats on Twitter...

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Re: Xfer's Cthulhu: Cheating or Fair?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2016, 09:07:33 pm »
I use autochords.com sometimes when starting songs.