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How to progress?
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:14:30 pm »
Hey guys,

I've been making music for about 10 months or so, but I hit a sort of brick wall at like 45 followers..
My songs all tend to get a similar amount of plays (between 100 and 400) and never really go beyond there.

My brother makes music and so does his best friend (they convinced me to start too), we're a very musical family (even my parents are in a band :P)
so I often ask his friends for tips on breaking the ice with regards to that stuff (you may recognize ORACLES and his other friend Attom), but they just said try to promote your tracks and stuff, cause they thought my music was already cool. So I said okay then I tried that. I didn't get very far. I'm here now. What advice do you guys have?...

PS: as a side note, you can listen to my music and if you think it's crap and that's the reason I hit the wall I did then PLEASE tell me my music is bad, otherwise I'm just gonna sit here scratching my head over something that's obvious from a distance that no one was up front enough to tell me. If it's bad I need to know XD

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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2016, 05:31:47 pm »
I'm obviously not a person qualified to give advice on this as I'm in this 8 times longer than you while achieving stunning 111 followers. :D ...but:

For 10 months your music isn't bad at all. You have your melodic and harmonic thinking figured out nicely. That usually forms a bit later. Use that as an advantage. Also you have some nice habbits about percussion. Imho you need a bit better sound design for the lead instruments. More modulation, more envelope work, layering etc...

Having said that, don't be discouraged when you don't grow as quickly as you've wished. I don't wish it to you, but one should always stay humble and prepare for such a possibility. Music should be the driving force for this. Not the listens/views/likes. ...because there's just so much place under the spotlight...
"Earth is round right? Look at it from right angle and you'll be always on top of the world."
...but don't overdo it, because that's called being a d***k.

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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2016, 07:32:34 pm »
Thanks for the response man,

I appreciate your compliments and I guess I should just keep at it. I think as both a drummer and a pianist I'm probably a little more on the theory side of things than being technically skilled with the program, so as a result of that the mixing won't really be as great. I suppose that all comes with experience. Maybe if I get enough experience my brothers friend can help me out with a repost ;)

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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2016, 09:16:02 pm »
Your music isn't bad, I've definitely heard worse, but honestly it isn't amazing. I know its hard to not be discouraged when you feel like you've become stagnant but try to turn it into positive energy, never let the amount of followers define you as a producer but the music itself. Maybe try to identify why you are making music in the first place. If it truly is for the love of the music you will find the drive within you somewhere, just keep on creating and trying new things and one day you might be pleasantly surprised to find that an artist you highly respect reaches out to you and tells you he digs what you make.

I agree with FarleyCZ, what you should work on is creating more depth within your tracks, for example the snare in your track "Pure" seems really basic, even adding a touch of reverb and cutting out clashing frequencies, changing velocitys throughout the progression can make it sound more organic and lively.

Remember we all had to start somewhere, there was a point where even the most iconic musicians had 45 followers instead of hundreds of thousands.  I think I read somewhere it took deadmau5 ~15 years (dont quote me on that) to break into the scene so 10 months is really no time at all when it comes to production.   

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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2016, 09:55:44 pm »
As much annoying as it could sound, producer/dj nowadays also has to be manager, visual artist, blogger and tons of other professions  ;D (at least in the beginning)

If you feel like your music can attract people, you should encourage yourself and start to learn a bit of a marketing - there are tons of youtube videos (balancing with quality) about "selling yourself" as an artist, this should at least give you some basic understanding.

More than that it's just about opening the doors that nobody openned before you = you need to find unique way of how to get heard, not only sitting on soundcloud. This path is full of tries and fails and YOU need to discover one path that suits you best.
Few examples of original breakthrough:
myspace.com - Justice, Skrillex (closed door nowadays  :'( )
showing unique content on youtube - Madeon (Pop Culture made him widely known)
Reddit - (I think) was a place that helped KRNE
Create unique-style remixes - Kygo

Or just put a mask on and create this "mysterious artist" persona  ;D ;D

As you can see, nobody followed one formula how to reach so many people, they had to open unused "doors" to success


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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2016, 10:37:24 pm »
I don't think soundcloud followers is an accurate measurement of whether you're making progress or not. Listen to the first track you made and then listen to the last track you made within those 10 months of producing and then you'll be able to be honest about whether you've been making progress.

You're music contains a sense of harmony and melody that I enjoy. I haven't listened to anything in detail but I'll just voice my opinion that your music isn't bad. It's not at a point where I'd consider it good enough to put in my iPod but I can tell that it's music.

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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2016, 10:41:23 pm »
Don't use the internet as a measurement, unless you're actively spouting out to labels or blogs.

You need to make the connections through playing live shows, meeting folks who can get you to meet more folks, and having a good brand image and philosophy.

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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 12:28:16 am »
10 months of producing isn't long enough man, it takes several years of study to get at least decent

cause you need to train the creative brain to get melodies out, and then synthesis, which takes ages and then all that other stuff, EQing, etc,

you need both proper theory and prac to get better, and intensity each time you produce

i remember my first 10 months, all my tracks were total shit, and i was upset, but if you want to get better, you have to do serious study

just keep going and stay motivated
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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2016, 03:59:53 am »
I only started to get anywhere a few years after producing music. After fully dedicating to it over a long period of time, it sort of becomes a part of who you are. That is what's driven me so far, I think the key is that you genuinely need to care about what you're doing and you need put a lot of love into your music. Once you do that, you'll start to see results. Focusing on results themselves is pointless! Focus on what makes those results happen.. keep pushing yourself to learn more about what you're doing, and keep pushing yourself to love what you're doing!

Here's a very brief overview of my relationship with music over the past few years as I've gained more experience:

Before I started Ninth Parallel, I was making terrible music under an alias (I won't reveal), and all of the songs I uploaded would get less plays than the numbers you stated in your opening post. Something traumatic happened in my life and music was the only thing I could confide in, and I began to grow an extremely close bond to the creative process (this was after two years of producing). Each time I go through something traumatic in my life, the first thing I do is believe music will be my way out and to a better life. I always trust that my music will help me become a better person - anyways the first song I released under Ninth Parallel after my first existential crisis, called 'Reentry', got thousands of plays and I was so shocked! And I knew that I was finally making music that deserved any attention in the first place.

While my perception of music has completely changed ever since I wrote Reentry, and music is much more meaningful and influential in my life, I still learned a lot in that initial period of time. It's been a few more years and now I've achieved dreams I never thought I'd be able to achieve. The most important thing about this though is to let your goals keep evolving. I've played shows with Madeon and had an official remix for Porter Robinson but those things are in the past now. The ideas and goals I have now are so much more vibrant. You just need to dedicate yourself to your craft and put your entire being into what you do.

If you're unhappy with your current progression as a producer, or your lack of interesting ideas, you are obligated to push through that if you want to get better. Make this your goal. Once you achieve this goal there will be other, more daunting goals, but each one you conquer will make you stronger and more fit to keep breaking down those walls. Always push yourself to keep learning!

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Re: How to progress?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 06:00:05 am »
Thank you guys so much for the feedback :)

I think some of you may have picked up a vibe that I don't really enjoy music making and that I'm just sort of doing it or instant fame, but that isn't the case. I love making music, I was just scared I wasn't really getting anywhere, and also scared that it was awful..

My favorite producer is Haywyre (Endlessly and Insight) and I often sit down to make a track I want to release and get this annoyed feeling like "I can't actually do that" and it puts me off a little. I tend to make a beat, put in some chords, pick a synth and just improvise for hours. Then eventually I stop doing that and start making a song. TBH I wouldn't mind just releasing improvs XD.

I think the key lies in patience. A lot of you told me it takes time, and @daimon I agree with what you said about how each individual artist broke the ice. But I don't think they broke the ice BECAUSE of myspace or youtube or reddit etc, I think they broke the ice because they had something people want to hear. So I guess that's where I need to go. I need to keep making music until I can make something worthy of the time spent listening to it.

@ninthparallel, thanks for the motivation man! I enjoyed your Porter Robinson remix a lot. You spoke about having an emotional connection to your music and I agree that's essential to giving your track meaning beyond something that was made for the purpose of being made. I'm an ambitious person and I fight to achieve my goals, and if that goal requires involvement and practice, I'll get involved and I'll practice.

Thank you to everyone, I have more direction now :).

- Vera