Author Topic: [Layering Question] Produce Melody with underlying chords and tonic bassline  (Read 8559 times)

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Title.

I'm having extreme difficult in doing this. I understand this may just be lack of music theory knowledge possibly, but I do follow scales accordingly and have everything in key.

I do sometimes feel as though this is a clash of synths on layering. I guess I possibly don't understand the technical aspect behind it or how many you should have? (I understand I may get answers that EQ is your friend, but I wouldn't know how to start to do that, or the suggested way. I do know how to EQ though and do it quite frequently, but maybe not in the right way with these synth layering is what I'm specifically asking) i.e. melodic bassline to include a separate sub bass bassline following accordingly or slighty varied, another example is having your melody layered with 3 different synths in different octaves, following accordingly. Is this the general consensus? Am I doing this completely wrong? Flosstradamus provided a small tutorial in his masterclass for Emotional, but I was curious if anyone had anymore in depth tutorials possibly, as I have been unable to locate any on my own.

Any tips on how to help with this?

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Look under mixing and master section of the forum or do your own research.

It's good you're asking this question in this part of the forum, and i will answer it in this forum's way.

You have to consider the sound of each instrument/layer you're putting in the track.

EQ can only help so much before the frequencies build on each other or you just have to much of many things. In that case, you should of just used one instrument instead of multiple.

Look up an instrument frequency graph and try to listen to every one of those instruments on your production monitors.

It'll help get a feel for what ranges they are being played at.

Once you've done that, with new found knowledge, listen to your sounds and IDENTIFY the ranges they occupy. You can use an anlyzer, but your ears are what needs to be the judge here.

You need to consider the meat of the sound and not the outliers. The outliers will need to be tamed, but only so much other wise you'll loose their characteristic.

Once that's done, play it in the mix and go from there. The rest should be a mixing/eq/taste decision.

Identify the ranges you're working with and know what you want to do. That should give you better clues as to what to do.
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I just wrote such a comprehensive answer to this and it freaking deleted it. I will try my best to redo it

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This brings up two questions for me.

- Is it a general consensus that if the entire spectrum is not filled up between my highest end and my lowest end that I should fill those spots with atmosphere / percussion / synth etc. ?

- If I have synths layered on each other (same ranges) and it sounds muddy, lets say the route I take is to take one out. I have now taken one out and the synth sounds weak / amateur. How would I make it sound full / professional? Am I to add another synth and hope it mesh's well with EQ or whatever else that needs to be done to it? I hope you understand what I mean by amateur, but I guess I don't know how else to put it at this moment.

I'm so upset that it freaking deleted my other response.

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This brings up two questions for me.

- Is it a general consensus that if the entire spectrum is not filled up between my highest end and my lowest end that I should fill those spots with atmosphere / percussion / synth etc. ?

- If I have synths layered on each other (same ranges) and it sounds muddy, lets say the route I take is to take one out. I have now taken one out and the synth sounds weak / amateur. How would I make it sound full / professional? Am I to add another synth and hope it mesh's well with EQ or whatever else that needs to be done to it? I hope you understand what I mean by amateur, but I guess I don't know how else to put it at this moment.

I'm so upset that it freaking deleted my other response.

Your self is getting in the way of being productive.

I sense that you don't fully trust your ears and your equipment, might be time for an upgrade(avoid krk!!!!!)

let me put it this way...

You own a house. What do you want to put in to your house?

Do you want it bursting at the seams or do you want to have some things that are really nice but still respects the space you are in?

Plus that rug really ties the room together...

You can do so much with just one sound, you just may not be hearing it well enough to utilize it properly. Or you may be over analyzing what you're working with to a point of self doubt and defeat.

Review my response as before, because that's my answer to this most recent question you have, as it's a reiteration of your original post.

YOU need to figure out what YOU want, not what every one else thinks man.

YOU need to use YOUR tastes when it comes to what YOU want in YOUR track.

Understanding relationship between frequency of the instrument and it's part in the mix is crucial, and i think this is what you're ultimately missing.

PM me if you're interested in a 1 on 1 discussion.
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sounds good man, thanks.

i have great equipment though, but it really is self doubt to defeat i feel like.

i own yamaha hs5, akai mpk61, s4, maschine, focusrite 2v4 and pioneer hdj-2000s

thanks man, ill try to get on pming you tomorrow, its bed time though here.

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sounds good man, thanks.

i have great equipment though, but it really is self doubt to defeat i feel like.

i own yamaha hs5, akai mpk61, s4, maschine, focusrite 2v4 and pioneer hdj-2000s

thanks man, ill try to get on pming you tomorrow, its bed time though here.

Speakers and headphones for equipment mate lol. But sure, i'll be waiting.
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You should try to be more specific with your questions! There are so many things that could go wrong in what the title describes. A sound example would help a lot.

One thing that will help avoiding muddiness in chords is to use notes sparingly in the bass frequencies, especially when using a harmonically rich sound. The harmonics will quickly fill the bass spectrum with unpleasant "rumble". So for example, if you make big supersaw chords, you probably want to avoid a third or even the fifth in the bass frequencies.