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Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« on: March 21, 2016, 06:44:05 pm »
Hi guys!

I've lately been very inspired to get behind my DAW and make some tracks.
Yet, I'm stuck with the process of making my tracks. Lately I can't seem to be satisfied with any melody I make. I look up to Martin Garrix so much! I love his melodies, and I try focus so much on it to make them really nice. But yea, I never get satisfied. Especially when I want to use it for a drop. My drop doesn't feel 'dancy' with it.

Mostly I blame my melody for it, but lately I wonder if it's something else. Something else I'm doing wrong which just blocks me.
My workflow: Chords -> Melody -> Kick and sidechained sub-bass & chords.

Do you have any tips? Or things you might think I'm doing wrong? If you're curious I made little playlist with 3 unfinished tracks which maybe gives you an auditive idea. As you notice it's house music, which might change the focus of priorities and tips.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 06:49:18 pm »
You're on the right track, but I agree it's a problem with the melodies. More specifically, the rhythms of the melodies. Look for "off" notes that don't feel like they come in at the right time, and nudge them around a bit until they "pop". Otherwise, you're doing pretty well.

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Re: Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 06:55:54 pm »
Thanks for the reply Wontolla! :)

So "off notes" are badly timed notes to you? Do you have example of a song where it's done correctly and it could have screwed the song if it wasn't? Or vice versa maybe.
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Re: Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2016, 08:09:53 pm »
Thanks for the reply Wontolla! :)

So "off notes" are badly timed notes to you? Do you have example of a song where it's done correctly and it could have screwed the song if it wasn't? Or vice versa maybe.

there's no personality in your melody.

Wontolla might be suggesting you need some more of you in your creation. Something a little more human.

It really sounds the same.

are you playing your melodies?

One way to control your notes, is the length of them, rather than the start.

I tend to quantize a good bit of my musical, but i only do that for the start of triggers(midi notes). Just to make sure they're on top of the beat.

My attack from the synth/drum machine/sampler allows a slight time difference so my transients aren't all on top of each other.

I find it better to adjust the sound with the synth than to do it on the sequencer. (don't over think this, it's just a volume/filter envelop thing)


You need to consider how the sound is being made from all angles, and how you best can control the sound you're after with the tools that are available with your understanding.
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Re: Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 08:19:52 pm »

there's no personality in your melody.

Wontolla might be suggesting you need some more of you in your creation. Something a little more human.

It really sounds the same.

are you playing your melodies?

With what does my melodies sound the same? Or in what way?

Also for the latter part of your reply? What do you mean by quantizing your melody so it isn't on top of your beat? For me quantizing is fixing your midi information after recording it, to make sure everything is back on snap.

Thanks for the reply! :)
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Re: Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2016, 08:42:25 pm »

there's no personality in your melody.

Wontolla might be suggesting you need some more of you in your creation. Something a little more human.

It really sounds the same.

are you playing your melodies?

With what does my melodies sound the same? Or in what way?

Also for the latter part of your reply? What do you mean by quantizing your melody so it isn't on top of your beat? For me quantizing is fixing your midi information after recording it, to make sure everything is back on snap.

Thanks for the reply! :)

Yea your melodies sound the same. From the playing, to the sound, and the overall feel of them. It's sterile and with out character.

I said quantizing so that they ARE on the beat. It's exactly in line with the BPM of the track.

You can adjust the timing with attack of the synths/drum machines/fading.

Read carefully...
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Re: Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 10:26:12 pm »
Ok, I hear a lot of Garrix in there. Solely by comparing your melodies with his "Forbidden Voices" and "The Only Way Is Up", I'd say you need:
1 - Work on pacing. Especially first two tracks of your list have too many notes in that lead melody. They don't stop for a brief moment. Those two Garrixes tracks do. It's sometimes good idea to let listener absorb what he's just heard before you flood him with more notes.
2 - Take your listener to a nice journey in that melody. Make some variations to that theme you set up. (That's mainly speaking about third track. The melody is kinda nice, Garrix-ish, but it needs to break out from itself at some point. It needs some variation towards the end for example.)
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Re: Can't get satisfied with my melodies, no dancy drops.
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 11:25:58 pm »
I say just start singing your melodies with your mouth while you're trying to make them. You probably know the way you want them to sound if you're just humming a series of intervals together - use that to your advantage! If you're still unsure, go pick 10 songs that you think have great melodies and see if you can recreate the melody in your DAW. Look at the direction of the notes, the length of the notes, and their rhythm. That will give you a lot of insight into the way they tend to work.