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Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« on: March 18, 2016, 08:51:51 am »
Hey guys, i'm new to this forum and thought I'd give it a go since I've always wanted to be part of a small active producer forum community.

Now this is a little tip I've stumbled upon when I was watching youtube tutorials, if you've heard of Barely Alive, they have a really neat tip on sidechaining,
You basically use Volume Shaper to dip in the sound instead of sidechain compression and it's 10x cleaner in my opinion, here's a link to the video for further explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWlXMzp7zMA

Hope you find this helpful, thanks. :D

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2016, 12:09:35 pm »

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2016, 01:02:16 pm »
any one know how its better? I'm thinking because using a compressor changes the sound a bit??

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2016, 04:11:28 pm »
See LFO Tool: https://www.xferrecords.com/products/lfotool
Volume Shaper does the same thing as LFO tool.

any one know how its better? I'm thinking because using a compressor changes the sound a bit??

It's better because a compressor doesn't dip the sound to silence for that one little moment, though volume shaper does and that means your drums will cut through regardless of volume, that's all explained in the video.

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2016, 06:42:28 pm »
+1 lfo tool with 'split'

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2016, 12:04:43 pm »
I tend to do this as well. Either kickstart, LFO Tool or just simple volume automations / Velocity changes.

Why?
For me, I don't like to over compress. So within a project I may have: compressors on single inserts, compressors on groups of tracks, multiband compressors, other dynamics plugins & limiters and then compressors on the master - so everywhere is seeing a reduction in dynamic range and being compressed, therefore; since I am doing my compression elsewhere I don't also want my sidechain tool compressing the signal - for me it helps retain a little bit of dynamic range in your project. So in essence you are pulling a volume fader down and back up rather than squashing your actual source sound.
works for me.
That and these volume shaper plugins are super fast and easy to use.


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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2016, 04:58:53 am »
Do any producers have an argument against using volume automation instead of compression. I remember doing this in some of my first projects before learning about compression. I also remember trying to use ADSR to create side chain effects. So, why shouldn't that be the case?  Is it mostly a work flow thing?

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2016, 03:50:00 am »
Do any producers have an argument against using volume automation instead of compression. I remember doing this in some of my first projects before learning about compression. I also remember trying to use ADSR to create side chain effects. So, why shouldn't that be the case?  Is it mostly a work flow thing?

As long as you're happy with the result you're getting, either method is perfectly fine.

What sidechaining with a compressor can offer over simple volume automation/LFOs is the compression effect itself. As the threshold dips relative to the sidechain trigger, you are also engaging the relevant attack/release/volume ratio values on the compressor, which can be used to control how the sound comes back up above threshold. It can give you more control over exactly how you want a sidechained sound 'shaped' as well as just a change in volume. As mentioned below, though, it can result in an overcompressed and flattened out sound.
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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2016, 08:46:57 am »
I also use volume automation in FL for sidechaining. It feels much more visual, and you can basically do anything with the volumes. When you use compression, I feel restricted to the drums.

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2016, 09:54:25 am »
I also use volume automation in FL for sidechaining. It feels much more visual, and you can basically do anything with the volumes. When you use compression, I feel restricted to the drums.

Me too. Setting up the automation clips is probably as fast or faster than setting up a sidechain, and the level of control is superior.

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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2016, 01:59:27 pm »
I tend to do this as well. Either kickstart, LFO Tool or just simple volume automations / Velocity changes.

Why?
For me, I don't like to over compress. So within a project I may have: compressors on single inserts, compressors on groups of tracks, multiband compressors, other dynamics plugins & limiters and then compressors on the master - so everywhere is seeing a reduction in dynamic range and being compressed, therefore; since I am doing my compression elsewhere I don't also want my sidechain tool compressing the signal - for me it helps retain a little bit of dynamic range in your project. So in essence you are pulling a volume fader down and back up rather than squashing your actual source sound.
works for me.
That and these volume shaper plugins are super fast and easy to use.


Everything is so compressed these days, I prefer to work with as little compression as possible.

I see videos these days of people compressing a bass, then bus it (with other basses) and compress that, then some effects and compress again (or even a third one) then to another buss (with other groups) to compress it again, then on master again compress and in the end a loud track with no dynamics.
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Re: Sidechain using Volume Shaper
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2016, 02:18:40 pm »
There seems to be some misunderstanding here about what sidechain compression does. It literally does nothing more than adjust the volume of the signal. There is no sonic difference between a signal ducked with volume automation and a sidechain compressed one, as long as the envelopes are matched.