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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2016, 05:06:32 pm »
Keep in mind most DAWs have chord creators, scale constrainers, and arpeggiators as MIDI effects/piano roll features. Music theory isn't essential thanks to stuff like this, but it keeps you from having to stab in the dark so to speak when you're trying to get something inside your head down into the DAW. My best advice would be to learn the names of all the notes (CDEFGAB, with all but B and E naturally having a sharp note one semitone (from a white key to a black key on a keyboard or from one of the white keys to a white key right next to it without any black keys in between) that is written the same but with a # next to it (C#, D#, etc.).

From there, learn the scale degrees: Root (R), Minor Second (m2), Major Second (M2), Minor Third (m3), Major Third (M3), Perfect Fourth (P4), Augmented Fourth (+4), Perfect Fifth (P5), Minor Sixth (m6), Major Sixth (M6), Minor Seventh (m7), Major Seventh (M7), and Octave (P8). Some degrees have multiple names (Minor Sixth is also Augmented Fifth, Octave is also Perfect Eighth, and then there are the diminished notes), but if you can memorize these thirteen degrees in order you'll be good to go!

If you're going from C (the first white key before the group of two black keys) to the next C above it, every single note going up including the black keys correlates to the thirteen degrees of the scale. Go to a site like musictheory.net and check out their Ear Training Exercises. It will make you comfortable with what the different degrees sound like in relation to each other. Eventually it will be almost like second nature to you, and you'll realize that the melody in your head goes something like "Root, Minor Seventh-Perfect Fifth-Minor Third, Perfect fifth-Perfect Fifth, Minor Seventh-Octave", or that the main melody in Knife Party's PLUR Police is P5 +4 m3 R R R, m7 (the one two semitones below it, not ten above) m3 M2 m7 (below) R R R, with the Root note being F (the first white key before the group of three black keys). Go listen to the drop of PLUR Police then try to play along using the scale degrees I mentioned. See if things start to click.

From there, all you need is practice and time!

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 05:07:52 pm »
I want to know is music theory really important to become a good Electronic Producer ???

Yes.

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 05:40:42 pm »
I want to know is music theory really important to become a good Electronic Producer ???

Yes.

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2016, 06:55:05 pm »
Look at it this way.  Theory is the fundamental inner workings of music.  You want to produce music.  Why would you not want to understand the inner workings of it?  Yeah, you can scrape by with your ear but imagine how much better you could be if you fully understood theory and could make harmony/melody bend at your will.  All of a sudden a whole world of musical color opens up to you and you can make more honest music!

Theory is essential, and anyone who says otherwise is trying to cover up their own shortcomings imho.
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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 07:08:24 pm »
For some, like me, theory is of absolutely vital important... I am not some crazy natural talent who just has a feeling in his gut as to how notes should work together.  Before I learned theory, my "music" was just me banging on keyboards and making noise.  After I learned theory, my music started to actually sound like music.
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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 07:47:33 pm »
I personally believe that theory is pretty important. Absolutely necessary? No. As true with everything, the more you know, the better off you are. I remember trying to make music before I knew music theory and I found myself getting very frustrated while trying to compose melodies chord progressions. After studying music theory for a while everything comes much easier to me.
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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 10:46:37 pm »
Music theory will make things waaay easier for you. You'll know what you're doing, your taste will get better, your creativity will increase, you'll work faster, and you won't feel like you're driving a car in the dark anymore.

My recommendation to any producer is to learn an instrument. Practice a couple of songs, get to know the music concepts and apply them to your art. This will bring a lot of musicality to you.

Actually, get to practice the instrument before you even start thinking about opening a DAW.

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2016, 12:50:35 am »
music theory is not mandatory, however understanding it is understanding the inner workings of music- why a song can sound the way it does, how each note or sound interacts with one another via intervals to create certain moods and vibes, etc.

learning theory can help you to create your own chords and the what not.

you know, rather than byting off the same chords of someone elses music- however, making a derivative of your chord progression and making it truly unique and you is a different case

but more than likely, theory will probably help you out a lot in doing that

tldr if music was your girlfriend, learning theory would be like listening to your girlfriends feelings

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2016, 12:53:24 am »
To break the rules you need to know them.

This. So much this. Finally someone gets it.

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2016, 12:57:35 am »
To break the rules you need to know them.

This. So much this. Finally someone gets it.

this is why I started fucking with jazz ;D

one of the best examples of rulebreaking in music Imo

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2016, 02:35:38 am »
I was in music school for all of my childhood/teenage years and I must say it has helped a great deal. There is so much less trial and error when you know at least the basics of music theory. So yes, as everyone else has said already, if this is a serious passion of yours then definitely, invest some time in learning the basics at least. You don't need to join a school or pay for expensive courses, you can get a lot of tutorials and information online, forums like these are a great start.

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2016, 02:46:22 am »
The more tools you are able to learn the more options you have to develop your art.

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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2016, 11:03:48 am »
If a doctor has to learn medicine and a lawyer law, why shouldn't a musician learn music? Music is a language, and as with any language if you want to speak then you should learn either by emulation or going into an actual class. So yeah, it is very important


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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2016, 12:53:44 pm »
The more tools you are able to learn the more options you have to develop your art.

I like this. I also like how quotable people are being here, nice and philosophical
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Re: Is music theory really important ???
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2016, 04:55:21 pm »
I'm sure I'm just reiterating a lot of posts here but here's my 5 cents:

Music theory is probably the most important thing any musician can have in their mind.  I use the term musician because if you a producer for say, a band or pop singer, most of the musical work is done for you, especially with bands where you are just taking recordings and mixing and mastering them.

Also, the more important thing to realize about music theory is that you can't learn it in a month.  Music theory takes years to fully understand every little intricate aspect of theory.  Even musicians that have been practicing for ten, twenty, thirty years sometimes don't fully understand theory, but they know what sounds right.  That's another point is that all humans already have the extreme basics of music theory integrated in your brain, where you know instinctively what sounds right.  If you play one note wrong on a scale you've never played before, you know it's wrong and you try to fix it. But the fact that its takes a long time to study should never stop you.

Music theory is simply that, a theory.  They are rules that have been developed from some of the greatest composers of all time, being Mozart, Beethoven, and many others.  These guys used all kinds of modulations and countings, and using harmonics to make notes sound diffenrt than they actually are.  This shows how using theory to BREAK theory is the best thing you can do.  Things like secondary dominants and key modulations within songs are very fun to do, sound fully original, and yet, they are derived from theory.  There's a very good reason why these classical composers were used to develop theory, give their music a listen some time and you'll hear why.

But for electronic musicians, the most important thing you should all take from theory if you chose to study it is chord writing.  It's the bones of what we believe (that chvrches reference) when it comes to melody writing.  If you come up with a great chord progression, writing a melody on top of it becomes so much nicer and fits better. If you take a melody you wrote already, you can easily analyze the notes in the melody to write a progression underneath it within ten to twenty minutes. 

Theory may just be a theory, but everything in it can be done backwards, forwards, sideways, and flipped inside out.  Theory goes beyond just knowing how to write chords, rhythms, and key signatures, but rather it's a nearly endless array of rules and structures to ENHANCE your composition.  Theory is incredibly important to know if you want to be a better musician. If you want to use the rules to break the rules (when in fact you're just using another part of theory), you need to know theory.


For those of you who are interested in studying theory, in case it shan't been posted already, here's the most helpful website I have ever found on theory, it saved me in my theory classes in school:
https://www.teoria.com/index.php