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Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« on: March 09, 2016, 05:17:43 pm »
I've been fighting back and forth in my head on the opinion and moral and what's the limit of sampling and I want to hear what other people think? There are certain genre's that have become known for just doing brobdingnagian amounts of sampling, specifically, Electro-Swing, Rap Instrumentals, and Future Funk are what come to mind to me. And I do enjoy electro-swing, and I'll enjoy a rap song despite the instrumental clearly taking it's entire sound from another song, like Logic's "The Spotlight", because at that point it's not about the instrumental, it's about the lyrical content, but I still think the producer is just being lazy. Most of producers who create Electro-Swing tend to just add an electro beat to an old swing song and cut it up very minimally. I've organized my personal opinion on what I think about this for myself.
  • If you(myself) to sample a song, either make it a minimal use of sampling, or change what you take to such a creative spin that it becomes your own.
  • Don't get lazy, just cutting up someone else's song a little and adding drums to it just seems kind of cheating.
  • Still add your own creative content to the song, not just have it center someone else's sample, make creative decisions and add your own musical content that you create.
  • Realize that not all songs in a genre are uncreative because of there common stereotype for sampling, there can be artists that do it in a creative manner without straight up stealing someone else's sound and do it right, but doesn't mean everyone is exempt.
So what do you guys think? Am I thinking to much into it? This has been a personal moral battle for me that has troubled me for quite some time, and I want to know how other people see it. Just add your opinion, argue against my opinion or with me. I just NEED to either what others think on this topic.
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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2016, 07:18:05 pm »
Well as my country's law doesn't know term "fair use", I stayed away from sampling the whole time for legal reasons. But as for your reasoning, imho it's right. Rap is whole different story as there's whole mixtape culture. (Btw Loigic, right!?!?!?! Young Sinatra mixtape ... daammn good.) ...but as for other generes, I have similar reasoning. I like when artist somehow connects with the sampled content and continues that idea with his own instruments.
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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2016, 08:09:56 pm »
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Well as my country's law doesn't know term "fair use"
Definitely good reason to keep away. lol
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Rap is whole different story as there's whole mixtape culture
Indeed, one of the reasons I have trouble hating on Rappers for it, it's kind of the roots of it, and it doesn't become the sample.
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Young Sinatra mixtape ... daammn good
Daaaammnn Right!
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I like when artist somehow connects with the sampled content and continues that idea with his own instruments
Adding creativity does always seem a good reason to use a sample, and trying to expand on it sounds good, but I feel like there's a point the artist should just call it a remix. like if you've heard it, there is points like in the genre future funk where the artists just lazily overlay old japanese funk songs with a 4onthefloor beat, and leave it at that, maybe a low bass melody to add frequency, but they'll just leave it as a repeating stolen idea, no expansion, and claim them as original music. :/ It really disappoints me as an artist.

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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2016, 02:46:10 am »
I personally don't like sampling when it's made for lack of technical habilities, for example, you liked a Noisia bass and because you can't made that, you sample it and that's it, but I love samples like the ones on madeon - Pop Culture, I mean that song it's just awesome.

And (as a hip hop lover I shouldnt say this but) I don't think they have a lot of trouble making a beat, because they sample everything but the drums

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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2016, 03:02:36 am »
Who cares? Everything's a remix anyways. The idea of "original" creative content is a misnomer. What you make as a musician is directly influenced by what you heard as a music consumer, and you will make things that sound similar to things you like even without realizing it.

As long as you're not purposefully plagiarizing someone else's work as if it's all your own content, and you're not breaking the law and getting caught, whatever sounds come into your ears and out of your brain is your music. Someone can turn a 2 second loop from an old Super Nintendo game and make some crazy things with it.

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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2016, 04:56:18 pm »
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The idea of "original" creative content is a misnomer
That is true, but still, there is a difference between being influenced by something, and straight up copying and pasting something somebody else made.
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2 second loop from an old Super Nintendo game and make some crazy things with it.
Honestly, I wouldn't call that song something crazy, it keeps to a pretty standard use of sampling with hip hop producers. I feel like in rap obviously just using chunks of someone else's song is more excusable, because at that point it's not about the track, it's about the lyrical content. but in a lot of electronically produced music, it's about the production more, and that's when it becomes straight up stealing. You do have a good point about influence, but doesn't mean they're the exact same thing as stealing. If it worked that way, every single Metal band would be suing every other metal band, but once again, you make a fair point.

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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2016, 04:03:52 pm »

^always remember this^


It's about taste and experience.

There's only so much shit you can stuff inside a bag before the bag explodes.

People with out bounds when it comes to technology should be utilized in research and development more so than using the tool.

Unless you use the tool precisely below the maximum it can handle, then that's an art form in and of itself
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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2016, 04:32:10 pm »
Machine, I would say that image applies fairly well to the topic if people decided not to apply reason behind their actions. :/ I never liked that analogy because it's going on the presumption that people can't put a line down where they realize that's the limit, though it does make a good point all the same, you can only get so "original".

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Re: Thoughts on "Over" sampling?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2016, 03:36:04 am »
Machine, I would say that image applies fairly well to the topic if people decided not to apply reason behind their actions. :/ I never liked that analogy because it's going on the presumption that people can't put a line down where they realize that's the limit, though it does make a good point all the same, you can only get so "original".

The search for deeper meaning ends when you have found your ultimate answer. His was goat farming.

That aside, you can be as original as you want. especially now a days.

You can't let the use of music theory hinder your thinking when it comes to understanding literally hundreds of years of research and development and application of said topic.

I feel that, with so much music now. Introspection and understanding the self is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more important than just playing some friggin chords or making siqqqqqq wuuuuubbs brooooooooooooo.

You can literally learn to do that in under 3 months.

I feel that, with all this plur and hippie bullshit, you have to be one with yourself and actually master yourself if you want to be productive in a creative market.

all the business and shit can be dealt with the right type of trusting person, but as a creator you really have to master yourself to a point where you are ok and can learn from messing up.

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