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Advice on choosing some monitors
« on: February 18, 2016, 01:02:35 am »
So as far as choosing monitors I'm not to familiar on what I should be looking for, I'm looking something that has a good mids & lows, right now I'm working with a sound bar that has pretty good quality but, I feel like they're over exaggerated in sound & also really are meant for tv but, more importantly they're commercial listening speakers, as far as price range I'd pay $300 max for a single monitor since I'd be buying them apart so a total of like $600. I was referred to buy some Yamaha HS7 Monitors I liked them but, I'm looking at Behringer NEKKST K8 Audiophile Bi-Amped 8 Studio Monitors & not sure what to think, I'd like to have the flattest response but then again my hearing could be vey different so, I'm just trying to choose the best monitors for my money, I don't want to be cheap & regret the purchase for cheap monitors. If you have any other monitors, I appreciate the help & reference to know what I'm looking for, also thanks in advance!

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 01:41:52 am »
when it comes to producing music, you basically just want monitors with the flattest frequency response. so something that is giving you the 'truest' representation of what your music actually sounds like.

I have had KRK rokit 8s and felt the bottom end was perhaps slightly coloured. I also have had the Yamaha HS8s and the top was slightly tinny so I switched the high frequency notch down a touch on the back.

I listened to some Adams speakers in the store and if you ask me ......they pissed on both speakers I had!  Give the adams a listen. Believe it was the 7s I listened to ......sounded bang on. certainly good for value also...bit more expensive than the others I mentioned but they were seriously worth the extra bit.

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 02:48:32 am »
yamaha series.

From my ears, the coloring response was incredible low compared to any thing in the store.

go out and listen to the speakers that are in your price range.

I would also suggest to get the yamaha 8's. you get a little lower of a frequency range for a hundred bucks more (50*2 USD)

when you get the sub portion of the 8's cranked up you get some pretty decent bass response. And you'll hear it at low volumes when you're focusing on the more audible portion of the mix.

the 8's and 7's also have an incredibly large range when it comes to top end, but it doesn't bother me because i do a  22khz roll off on my pre master, so their abnormal amount of hi end doesn't bother me. But it's good to know that you have those frequencies available. I also heard that it makes these speakers more fatiguing to listen to, but that forces you to take more breaks.

I'll always say that if you want brutally honest play back, go with yamaha. And i'd get the 8's just because it's a versatile frequency range you're dealing with and if you can control your volume from bumpin to precision work.

Plus you can set them up in any environment/studio after you've upgraded to a more expensive set.


Adam audio are also in a different quality range than what you're looking for. But, it might be beneficial to at least hear some of the more expensive ones just to get an idea of what you're paying for.

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 04:28:54 am »
Oh okay, 'cause I was looking at the Yamaha 8's I think for now there like 50 bucks extra but I'm in a fairly small room so I think they would just bombard me with sound plus they're a bit tad big but the 7s id say a pretty nice tho when I heard them, maybe it was me but they seem to of lacked some low's to me I have a subwoofer, a sony one, idk how much difference that would make tho? tho your advice on the 8's is really intriguing and as far a Adam monitors which series are would you refer to?

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 04:46:55 am »
Oh okay, 'cause I was looking at the Yamaha 8's I think for now there like 50 bucks extra but I'm in a fairly small room so I think they would just bombard me with sound plus they're a bit tad big but the 7s id say a pretty nice tho when I heard them, maybe it was me but they seem to of lacked some low's to me I have a subwoofer, a sony one, idk how much difference that would make tho? tho your advice on the 8's is really intriguing and as far a Adam monitors which series are would you refer to?

any adam series. When i recorded music with gordon raphael, he had a pair and i liked them from the limited time we heard what he captured.
You just gotta go listen is all...

The 7's lack low end because it's a smaller cone. the 8's are larger therefore able to reproduce the low end better. The sub woofer is obviously a special case of dealing with bass because of it's larger cone.

I also had advice that, it's wise to mix the majority of the song on your speakers  than to have a sub woofer blasting all day erry day. Only turn it on when you need to reference the bass. But if you're pairing a good pair of headphones with your speaker then you should have a good reference point with out having to blast the walls off.

another trick is to place your hand in front of the cone to feel the frequency, that's what sub bass is mostly a feeling than a hearing (at least at the lowest point).

If you're in a room with some kind of absorbent material you'll be ok, you just have to learn volume management and learn the speakers in the room you're in.

I'd go with eights either way man. You just have to learn to adapt, which isn't  bad thing to do. Plus for the range and quality of just a bit more it's really worth it. Plus those things will literally last you a life time.
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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 05:18:14 am »
You sir, are a very convincing person, I think I might now pick up the hs8's would you recommend getting them used or new? 

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 05:36:02 am »
You sir, are a very convincing person, I think I might now pick up the hs8's would you recommend getting them used or new?

question of budget. You run the risk of them having shit fucked up if you get them used, so you want reliable seller if you choose the used route.

new is a matter of breaking them in and getting your ears adjusted. You're adjusting either way, but you're not actually breaking them in.

I got mine on sale new, they were on par with KRK and the yamaha 8's blow those things out of the water, so i got lucky.

I'd buy things new, just because it's something i'll have for a while and any existing problem that isn't fixed properly might be inherited if you're not to keen on detail.

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2016, 05:23:10 pm »
Don't just think of the now or you will be like me. I bought what I could afford and replaced my monitors 3 times. You're room may be small now but in the future your living situation may change. If you can afford the 8s, get them.
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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 01:12:24 am »
Yeah, that's what I was thinking buying used is pretty risky so I thought I might have to buy them new, also I considered that as well about my living situation too, I now think heck, might as well spend 50 extra bucks for the 8's

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 07:28:51 pm »
I'm going to throw in a recommendation for the Focal Alpha series. The 65 is next on my studio upgrades list.

http://www.focal.com/usa/en/alpha/492-alpha-65.html

I will totally agree with the sentiment that you should get into the quietest room you can and compare several monitors before you make your purchase.

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2016, 12:38:18 am »
I don't know how is it going with HS7 but in the HS5 mid freqs are conquered a bit. The graphs show that. In this price and even lower you can try M-Audio BX5 D2, because despite its size and price they collect some very good reviews and some people are also surprised with them positevely. I'm most likely to buy them for myself too :)

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2016, 04:45:16 am »
I don't know how is it going with HS7 but in the HS5 mid freqs are conquered a bit. The graphs show that. In this price and even lower you can try M-Audio BX5 D2, because despite its size and price they collect some very good reviews and some people are also surprised with them positevely. I'm most likely to buy them for myself too :)

that's because it's a five inch cone.

I noticed that too when ever i compared the 8's to the 5 and 7.

I specifically bought the 8's so that i won't have to buy a sub. Eventually i maybe plan on buying one, but as it is right now, these 8 inch supply a great reference of bass and it only gets better when they get louder.
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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2016, 09:04:29 am »
Dynaudio BM5A MKII or Focals CMS65

Both used ofcourse, but still for that money it blows all the new speakers around $300 out of the water.

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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2016, 03:18:56 pm »
Dynaudio BM5A MKII or Focals CMS65

Both used ofcourse, but still for that money it blows all the new speakers around $300 out of the water.

That might be jumping the gun in this instance.

Definitely worth it though.
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Re: Advice on choosing some monitors
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2016, 07:55:35 pm »
Dynaudio BM5A MKII or Focals CMS65

Both used ofcourse, but still for that money it blows all the new speakers around $300 out of the water.

That might be jumping the gun in this instance.

Definitely worth it though.

Seen pairs of MKII for about 600 dollars. Should fit within the budget of KAB.

CMS65 I rarely see, but I think they will go for more than the MKII, but MKII to me sounds pretty much the same as the CMS. CMS I think has a bit better mid.