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Struggling With Sound Design
« on: February 09, 2016, 01:31:43 am »
Okay, so I was wondering if I could get some pointers on how to be more efficient on sound design because whenever I come up with my melody & chords and move on to sound design, I can never get or settle for a sound I like. Is it because of lack experience? (been producing for about 2 years & a half years) is it my song writing? Is it me? My lack of experience? Lack of creativity? I can hear the sound I want in my head but can't come to produce the sound irl idk what it is. So I was wondering If can get advice, I want to create more future bass, D&B mixed with the dubstep style with the modern anjunabeats style sound.

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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2016, 02:00:51 am »
Lack of experimentation I'd say. You need to learn what every single knob does and then experiment with them fo so long, that you'll find out how their effects feel. ...then you'll slowly be able to get the designed sound closer to the one in your head.
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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2016, 02:07:59 am »
Lack of experimentation I'd say. You need to learn what every single knob does and then experiment with them fo so long, that you'll find out how their effects feel. ...then you'll slowly be able to get the designed sound closer to the one in your head.

"Earth is round right? Look at it from right angle and you'll be always on top of the world."

This is the most inspirational thing I've heard, thank you. I will experiment more as well thanks

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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2016, 02:18:39 am »
Yes, i agree with 2nd poster.

Now, what you can do is experiment with the sound design first instead of writing the midi information.

You could even just make weird noises with out any midi information being played, this works if you are using a keyboard and just mash buttons.

Another consideration is understanding where your musical notation fits in terms of frequency.



I will always use this image. It should give you some idea of how to allocate your resources in respect to the song. You might need to remove or add in certain areas.

But consider your flow, if you are able to get the music the way you want to get, you might need to do sound design first instead.

I had to work on my "sound" because i knew i can write the music easily. I just don't have the experience with a synthesizer to utilize it properly. But now i do, and i still do sound design first.
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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2016, 05:53:11 am »
my suggestion to you is to flip through presets that fit that sound, and try to study that sound the best you can, after that you can tweak it to make it your own sound or use the preset as a starting point to make your own sound

this means you have to study sythesis, so pick 1 synth, like the sylenth or massive and learn how it works

be patient man, 2.5 years or producing isn't quite long enough yet
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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2016, 01:26:51 pm »
Yep, its just lack of experience.
I can listen to my synth sound and know exactly what knobs to change, to get the sound I want.
Took me quite a few years. That's why most people just use presets

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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2016, 01:36:08 pm »

I can listen to my synth sound and know exactly what knobs to change, to get the sound I want.

Do you find it as easy to listen to other peoples' sounds and recreate them? I've always wondered to what extent you can hone this ability.
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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2016, 02:09:54 pm »
When it comes to things like amp and filter envelope settings, yeah, easy. I can do those without even thinking about it.
But the problem with copying other sounds, is when it has a particular tone that doesn't sound standard, cause you're left wondering if it's the synths custom waveform, or is it an fm trick, or is it layering.
Just too many variables to worry about, and that's why I never even attempt it, if it doesn't sound like a standard wave.
I know I can always get close enough if I can be bothered, buts its never worth the time.
Once you get good at sound design, you can make stuff that's sounds as good, or better, and in a fraction of the time.

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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2016, 04:48:12 pm »
Idk why but using presets bothers me when I go hunting for a new sound. It feels like if I get a sound from it, it's because of someone else hard work thus, I feel like I never did anything, but I'll experiment more on working with presets for now & go for my own original sound

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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2016, 10:13:03 pm »
yeah, you're like me with that, but in all honesty, a guitarist doesnt feel the need to build his own guitar, so we dont need to be a sound designer to be a musician.
but there's something about building my own custom landscape (or soundscape) from the very bottom up, that just makes me feel like its something i created on my own. seems to be more to it, than just being a musician. maybe other artforms are spilling into it

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Re: Struggling With Sound Design
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2016, 10:25:39 pm »
You don't need to end up a goat farmer to make drum samples or record drums, as the joke goes.

Often times, if you really want to be free to do what ever you want to do, some times you just need to be free to do what ever it is you want to do. presets or not. if you have a license to use that then use it man, it'd be stupid to not.

stealing is different, and manipulation is a grey area, but i am not talking about those two ideas. It's having proper credits to use the things available to you.

another quote is that, we stand on the shoulders of giants.

Just use what's available to you and learn from it. That's the best way you have until you learn enough and spend enough time to be able to get what you want, or close to what you want.

Like, i had to throw out ANY and ALL ideas i've had in my head in order to progress in making electronic music.

Perfection is the enemy of productivity, a quote often from my pop who does high level consulting for several companies. I think he's a Lean six sigma master black belt, but he knows he he is.

Clear your preconceptions, understand what you can use legally, use it, and take the time to get better. The last part in conjunction with the rest of the list is what will make you have experience.
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