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Need some help with the true basics...understanding the tempo?
« on: January 26, 2016, 02:19:42 am »
Hey guys, i've been having my fun dabbling into the very very basics of music production and I found myself hitting a block on my first tune I started out. I never quite sat down and figured out how tempo works when trying to write your own tracks. I've looked it up but I can't find any worthwhile information about what i'm going for here.

Here's the run down:

I hum my tune, I'm on beat, the 4x4 is easy for me because I'm a (self-unclassicaly trained pianist). I go by ear a lot, boom wrote my first loop. Ready to drops some kicks in the second loop annnnnnd what the hell oh shit i'm actually only at 7 bars?

So then I get into this awkward limbo...my track sounds good at 130bpm but the loop ends on a 7 bar... if I speed up the tempo then I have to lengthen the notes but how do I know at what tempo my scaled up into 8 bar needs to be so that it sounds the same as it did on 7 bars during 130bpm.

And that's where my brain has a meltdown. I'm such a by ear kind of guy that I never oversaw this happening. You guys have any tips, guides and or go to's you could give a noob so I can read up and learn how to well...figure out my actual tempo?

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Re: Need some help with the true basics...understanding the tempo?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2016, 02:54:29 am »
Every single DAW has some way for you to tap in your tempo (which is just the rate at which every beat occurs every sixty seconds - hence Beat Per Minute), so before you start taking your musical idea down you should find that and tap out the 4/4 you referred to. If you're humming the tune and tapping your feet in time, every four taps is one bar - just tap that into the tempo selector, adjust it if you feel like you need to, and go from there!

A good way to help you learn tempo is to listen to the songs you like and try and determine the BPM/Tempo (the terms are interchangeable) using the tempo selector in your DAW. Then, try to recreate the kick & snare pattern and the basic chords or melody.

While you're at it, here's a good lesson in tempo that might not seem obvious at first: Put your BPM at 70, and do a regular kick on the 1 & 3, snare on the 2 & 4 pattern. Listen to that on loop a few times to get used to how it feels. Then up the tempo to 140, remove the snares on the 2 and 4 and replace the kick on the 3 with your snare. Listen to that loop again. Notice anything?

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Re: Need some help with the true basics...understanding the tempo?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2016, 03:15:24 am »
I think what i'm realizing is that I'm so sure I wrote the beat as a perfect 4x4 but in reality I must have cut short some notes. And that just by stretching some of them by perhaps a half of quarter of a beat collectively i'll end up getting that 8 bar without jeopardizing the initial beat I had in my head

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Re: Need some help with the true basics...understanding the tempo?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2016, 09:03:04 am »
there's something wrong with ur chord progression then, because a chord progression should 'work' indepedently of the BPM. its not like samples where if you change the BPM, they change in respect to the pace of the track lol.

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Re: Need some help with the true basics...understanding the tempo?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 03:32:00 pm »
there's something wrong with ur chord progression then, because a chord progression should 'work' indepedently of the BPM. its not like samples where if you change the BPM, they change in respect to the pace of the track lol.

I'm sorry i'm not sure I understood properly the way you phrased it but I had shared the clip with someone more knowledgable of production and it turns out I just wrote a 3/4 measure so it just never was going to go in 8 bars

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Re: Need some help with the true basics...understanding the tempo?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 12:52:17 am »
there's something wrong with ur chord progression then, because a chord progression should 'work' indepedently of the BPM. its not like samples where if you change the BPM, they change in respect to the pace of the track lol.

This makes sense. Often times i find that i have to change the note lengths to get what i was searching for.

I also don't make music that fast. I use to, but since i'd always record my own playing from the midi keyboard, i found out that the slower tempos give me more of a feeling and connection with my music. It felt weird because I wanted to do something faster, but the feeling was telling me something different over time.

OP, it sounds like you might want to look into thinking in terms of 8's (multiples and divisions of two) for your bars for the tempo to not make a big difference (+/- 5bpms, the higher you go the less it will work. :| )
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