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Quick trick to make your track louder.
« on: January 25, 2016, 11:18:39 pm »
Hi guys, stumbled across this trick by Bobby Owsinski called the 'Hot and Loud trick'. I reckon a lot of people here could benefit from this for a quick type of master.

This trick might cover the common goal of loudness and competing with other tracks in terms of loudness, while retaining some sort of dynamics.

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J7ABfkfKC4

Note: Check out Bobby Owsinski's 101 mixing tricks, very helpful. :)

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Re: Quick trick to make your track louder.
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2016, 01:19:55 am »
nice, I've struggled with this for a while and got close to it a few weeks ago.

I wonder if adding an exciter, eq, before this would work?

Or is the idea just to make the MIX and only THE MIX, louder?
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Re: Quick trick to make your track louder.
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2016, 02:08:37 pm »
This is basic compression, and not a trick at all. You wouldn't do this when sending in your stuff for a mastering, because it will squash the track and you will lose a bit of dynamic range. This step should be done during mastering, and should be the last part of the chain. Now this isn't to say that you shouldn't compress at all before mastering. Compression during the mixing stage is used for level equalization and "glueing" of track elements  (drums, bass, etc) using bus compression. Adding a compressor and a limiter on a master is the last step in production.

A better way of doing this is adding a multiband compressor and doing the same thing but with tweaks to each band. This will allow greater control and can result in a cleaner sounding mix.

IANA Mixing/Mastering engineer, so take anything I said with a grain of salt.

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Re: Quick trick to make your track louder.
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2016, 02:30:10 pm »
Well whether you're the best mixing/mastering engineer in the world, this still has it's uses. Perhaps I could have rephrased the title a bit better, outlining that it's compression and not much of a trick.

I agree that you wouldn't do this before sending it off to a professional mastering engineer. This is however a handy method of getting a loud mix if your not going to send it off for mastering. Just putting this chain on the master may be far less destructive than you fiddling around with EQ's and other things.

I'll experiment tonight with some multiband to try and achieve the same effect, thanks for the tip! :)


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Re: Quick trick to make your track louder.
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2016, 02:40:33 pm »
nice, I've struggled with this for a while and got close to it a few weeks ago.

I wonder if adding an exciter, eq, before this would work?

Or is the idea just to make the MIX and only THE MIX, louder?

Every context is different so I couldn't really say. I generally only use an EQ as a scanner on my master, say if I cut away like 6dB of the mids and it sounds cleaner, I would adjust the instruments within the mix to fit/balance better, you know what I mean? Rather than effecting the whole signal.

Well the idea behind that video is to make the mix louder as a whole yes. And as djparted recently stated, maybe that is where multiband comes in, to zoom in on specific bands in terms of loudness.

Getting sick of the word 'loudness' already, currently telling myself to be quiet. Ironic

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Re: Quick trick to make your track louder.
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2016, 03:12:32 pm »
nice, I've struggled with this for a while and got close to it a few weeks ago.

I wonder if adding an exciter, eq, before this would work?

Or is the idea just to make the MIX and only THE MIX, louder?

Every context is different so I couldn't really say. I generally only use an EQ as a scanner on my master, say if I cut away like 6dB of the mids and it sounds cleaner, I would adjust the instruments within the mix to fit/balance better, you know what I mean? Rather than effecting the whole signal.

Well the idea behind that video is to make the mix louder as a whole yes. And as djparted recently stated, maybe that is where multiband comes in, to zoom in on specific bands in terms of loudness.

Getting sick of the word 'loudness' already, currently telling myself to be quiet. Ironic

right, the only reason i'd want to add an exciter to the mix is to give the top end some love. The reason i'd want to use an eq is only for low and high cuts at the sub and 16khz - 22khz range by -1db.

Exciter first, then eq. I've played around with those settings before and it seems that's what i like the most.

the big difference between this guy's advice and what i do in my mastering chain is some slight multiband compression into a parallel compressor, in which i don't limit very much. I try to get my peaks to 0 at any point.

I usually make things louder for myself rather than for actual posting.
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