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Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« on: January 21, 2016, 01:46:57 am »
Just started producing about 2-3 months ago. So any tips or tricks on mixing would be appreciated. The only thing I know is to have all my levels pretty low, atleast about -3db's below 0. I'm just having trouble getting my songs to soung "big" so to speak. Always sounds like there is something missing, you know? Im not sure if thats because im not layering my leads properly or mixing the sounds well enough.  And should I do stereo imaging? Im not exactly sure what that is, so if anyone could explain that'd be great.

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 03:40:05 am »
If you only start producing a few months ago, all the stuff you think you need to know is wrong. If you try to worry about being able to make a song that's as good as Arty or Noisia right away, you'll burn out way too quickly. I'd start out with just learning the basics - music theory (if you don't already know it), the inner workings of your DAW (open it and sit down with the user manual. just read through and start clicking around, see what does what), the fundamentals of drum programming (go through the loops in your library and try to recreate them with samples only), synthesis (start simple - most DAWs have a basic 2-4 oscillator subtractive synthesizer), and arrangement (try to see if you can recreate some other people's tracks just with the notes and number of instruments. look for how the different instruments change, and how the sections transition. just pull the song into your DAW and reference it directly).

Knowing how to write a song is much more important than knowing how to mix. The best tips anyone can give you are to trust your ears, and reference like crazy. Deconstruct the songs of your favorite artists, and whenever you finish a song pull a song in and reference how their mix is compared to yours. Not in terms of good/bad, but in terms of composition. How loud are their hi hats? Which element is the focus? Where are things panned? Do some things sound "wide", and others sound "centered"

Once you know what they're doing that you're not doing, it will become a lot easier to direct your questions, and chances are you might know how to apply the tools you have already learned about to achieve the effect you want.

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 04:02:55 am »
and arrangement (try to see if you can recreate some other people's tracks just with the notes and number of instruments. look for how the different instruments change, and how the sections transition. just pull the song into your DAW and reference it directly).

Agree with everything Mussar said I'd just like to add that when you're trying to recreate songs at first, I think it's best if you don't worry too much if the instruments don't sound too close to the original ones. Sound design will reallllyyy bog you down at first. Get the idea of the song and get your mix sounding clear and don't expect it to be the loudest, best sounding mix on the block, keep it clean and make a habit of that. That'll help you tons in the long run.

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 08:20:26 am »
1. EQ // get your sound clean
2. Compressor / Limiter // control dynamic of your sound
3. Multi-band Compressor // do 1, 2 at the same time which can make greater effect.
4. Reverb and Delay // add depth, sense of space
5. Stereo Imaging // mono compatability, wider sound.

These are almost everything.

You need to work making a good, clean mix. It doesn't need to be very big and loud. I think this is the most difficult part.
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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 11:47:21 am »
If you only start producing a few months ago...

What he said... Though, a decent high pass filter on any channel needing some low rumble/mud removal is a great place to start, technique-wise.

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 02:05:02 pm »
I have written a complete mixing and mastering tutorial once:

http://theproducersforum.com/index.php?topic=1518.msg9220#msg9220

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2016, 03:45:10 pm »
Learn how to Eq, Compress, Stereo width control.

I would suggest you learn those three components in that order because the signal chain i would suggest to any one is exactly in that order.

That's for mixing.

The sound design comes from the mixing, but just applied to individual sounds to great a group or a singular element (and those elements combined to make a song)

Synthesis is kind of easy, that's just spending time making weird noises.

You can be practicing all these things at once, but you won't get the concepts of the specialized nature. I'd suggest you do things simply, then consider more complicated tasks once you get the idea of the simple aspects.
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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2016, 06:55:10 pm »
Though, a decent high pass filter on any channel needing some low rumble/mud removal is a great place to start, technique-wise.

I actually wish I had remembered this, because that's actually something I think should be just standard operating procedure for anyone working on a DAW when it comes to mixing: every channel that does not need to have any bass frequencies should have an EQ or a filter that cuts off any unneeded frequencies if the sound has some. Most of your sounds, whether synth or sample, will have harmonic content in the 30-250 Hz range. If it's not a kick or a bass, any of that information is just adding to the overall volume of that frequency range, which isn't beneficial at all. Start sweeping up in frequency until the sound starts to lose a bit of its character. It'll probably start to sound a bit more hollow - that's when you know you've gone too far, and you can back it off until it sounds normal again.

Other than that, if you're just starting out think about an equalizer as a surgical instrument, not a necessary effect (even though it is, and you'll soon realize why) - you should only consider using an equalizer on something that sounds good but it doesn't fit with everything else. All the creative design and/or advanced mixing applications are great but they can distract you from the most important experiences that a beginning producer or engineer should be developing: how to remove frequencies from specific sounds so they do not get hidden when they are played at the same time as other sounds. That was the core function of an EQ, before any sort of mid-side or sidechain or crazy sound design shaping came into play, and sometimes I think new producers (especially ones without any experience in classical sound engineering) tend to look at all the cool stuff you can do in your mix and can overlook what the necessary stuff to do in your mix can be.

Like I said, just listen to a lot of songs that you love inside your DAW. Dissect them and try to recreate them. Figure out how the sounds are blending together to take up the whole frequency spectrum while maintaining their individual clarity. A finished song is an open book, you just have to be patient enough to read the pages instead of watching the movie.

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1. EQ // get your sound clean

I actually want to kinda clarify on this a bit, because I think this wording is what leads to a lot of bad habits for newer producers. We should be careful not to conflate "clean" with "good" - you don't want to EQ a bad sound to make it a good sound. You want to EQ a good sound to make it a better sound in the context of your mix. Sample selection and sound selection is a critical skill to develop, but it is something that is hard to understand at first. That's why I recommend learning drum programming and sound design before you start approaching the concepts of mixing, because by learning how to create your own drum kits and your own loops you will start to hunt for samples that sound more like the loops you have or the tracks you are taking loops from, and by learning sound design your taste for synthesizer patches improves.

You want to learn how to do everything, but you don't have to learn how to do everything at once.
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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2016, 10:13:02 pm »
Though, a decent high pass filter on any channel needing some low rumble/mud removal is a great place to start, technique-wise.

I actually wish I had remembered this, because that's actually something I think should be just standard operating procedure for anyone working on a DAW when it comes to mixing: every channel that does not need to have any bass frequencies should have an EQ or a filter that cuts off any unneeded frequencies if the sound has some. Most of your sounds, whether synth or sample, will have harmonic content in the 30-250 Hz range. If it's not a kick or a bass, any of that information is just adding to the overall volume of that frequency range, which isn't beneficial at all. Start sweeping up in frequency until the sound starts to lose a bit of its character. It'll probably start to sound a bit more hollow - that's when you know you've gone too far, and you can back it off until it sounds normal again.

Other than that, if you're just starting out think about an equalizer as a surgical instrument, not a necessary effect (even though it is, and you'll soon realize why) - you should only consider using an equalizer on something that sounds good but it doesn't fit with everything else. All the creative design and/or advanced mixing applications are great but they can distract you from the most important experiences that a beginning producer or engineer should be developing: how to remove frequencies from specific sounds so they do not get hidden when they are played at the same time as other sounds. That was the core function of an EQ, before any sort of mid-side or sidechain or crazy sound design shaping came into play, and sometimes I think new producers (especially ones without any experience in classical sound engineering) tend to look at all the cool stuff you can do in your mix and can overlook what the necessary stuff to do in your mix can be.

Like I said, just listen to a lot of songs that you love inside your DAW. Dissect them and try to recreate them. Figure out how the sounds are blending together to take up the whole frequency spectrum while maintaining their individual clarity. A finished song is an open book, you just have to be patient enough to read the pages instead of watching the movie.

EDIT:
1. EQ // get your sound clean

I actually want to kinda clarify on this a bit, because I think this wording is what leads to a lot of bad habits for newer producers. We should be careful not to conflate "clean" with "good" - you don't want to EQ a bad sound to make it a good sound. You want to EQ a good sound to make it a better sound in the context of your mix. Sample selection and sound selection is a critical skill to develop, but it is something that is hard to understand at first. That's why I recommend learning drum programming and sound design before you start approaching the concepts of mixing, because by learning how to create your own drum kits and your own loops you will start to hunt for samples that sound more like the loops you have or the tracks you are taking loops from, and by learning sound design your taste for synthesizer patches improves.

You want to learn how to do everything, but you don't have to learn how to do everything at once.


Really appreciate all your feedback, I've been listening to alot of my favorite songs and focusing on the instruments and how they sound together. Lately Ive been focusing on alot of EQing, and trying to give everything in my song somewhat of its own frequency, and cutting out low-end on some of my mids and all my highs so the song sounds clearer. As for trying to recreate my favorite songs, I'd just rather create my own and begin figuring/teaching myself how to properly mix. So I can also practice good composition and mixing all at once. I like your idea of actually bringing in a song and dissecting it in my DAW. I'll definitely start doing that and comparing it to songs I've made and just trying to get them to sound alike (mix wise). 

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2016, 10:16:05 pm »
I have written a complete mixing and mastering tutorial once:

http://theproducersforum.com/index.php?topic=1518.msg9220#msg9220

Will definitely read up on this, appreciate it.

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2016, 10:20:17 pm »
What are the only plugins you should use in your master channel?

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2016, 10:31:04 pm »
What are the only plugins you should use in your master channel?

Only plugins you'll use most of the time: EQ for tone, limiter/multiband compressor for loudness, saturation for warmth, and maybe reverb for shimmer.
Only plugins you should use: whatever it needs.

Hopefully this video helps you a bit too

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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2016, 12:04:44 am »
Lots of emphasis on EQ here, I did see one post saying something about sound selection, that's going to be one of the most important parts. If the sound doesn't work to begin with, no amount of EQ is going to help fix that issue. All I ever remember reading about was EQ, but I never knew the importance of sound choice to begin with, and without proper sound choice EQ was not helping my matters.

To me the most important this is the right sounds to begin with.
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Re: Anyone give any mixing tips for a brand new producer?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2016, 12:43:18 am »
Lots of emphasis on EQ here, I did see one post saying something about sound selection, that's going to be one of the most important parts. If the sound doesn't work to begin with, no amount of EQ is going to help fix that issue. All I ever remember reading about was EQ, but I never knew the importance of sound choice to begin with, and without proper sound choice EQ was not helping my matters.

To me the most important this is the right sounds to begin with.

By sound selection you mean choosing a sample with good sound quality?

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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 04:23:00 am »
Lots of emphasis on EQ here, I did see one post saying something about sound selection, that's going to be one of the most important parts. If the sound doesn't work to begin with, no amount of EQ is going to help fix that issue. All I ever remember reading about was EQ, but I never knew the importance of sound choice to begin with, and without proper sound choice EQ was not helping my matters.

To me the most important this is the right sounds to begin with.

By sound selection you mean choosing a sample with good sound quality?

Not exactly, sure you want good quality samples, but say you're layering a kick or clap/snare, some samples may just sound bad together, so picking the right ones to make a good kick or clap/snare is important. Even sequencing drums, not everything is going to work well together, picking the right samples for your sequence to work well is important.

I was more so talking about the whole mix in general though. Say you have a drop with a good lead going on but you want to add more elements, this is where you have to watch for what part of the frequency spectrum the new elements are most dominant, you want to be sure the sounds you are using are not going to over power or drown out your lead. If there's part of the spectrum you're trying to fill, use something that fills that part of the spectrum, don't throw any old synth in there & EQ it to fill that specific part.

Having a hard time trying to explain it, but hopefully that helps a little bit hah
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