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What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« on: January 18, 2016, 05:10:22 pm »
I'm curious to know what everyone does to make their supersaws hit their audience in the face. What techniques do you use?

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 05:16:45 pm »
- Pan layers L/R
- Play multiple octaves
- Chords
- Detune saw waves, place a LFO on it (~1%)
- Flangers, phasers, sausage fattener
- decrease Mod Envelope pitch below 0.0, maybe like -.5 (play around with it)
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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 05:32:44 pm »
If you're using Harmor, putting a tiny amount of prism on the saw helps it sound bigger. That detunes each harmonic a little bit, shifting them out of phase with each other over time, making the sound evolve. Playing with the sincrush distortion mode gives it some more brightness too. Harmor supersaws take a while to render, which you can fix by turning off HQ rendering in the ADV tab.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2016, 05:38:11 pm by Wontolla »

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 05:46:27 pm »
FWIW I have found that the "theory" of making good supersaws isn't so much as how it is made *technically* as much as it is the chords/note combinations that you play together. Some chords and combinations of notes just sound better with supersaws than others.

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 11:35:36 pm »
Apparently creative implementation of amps/guitar amps do good things for supersaws as well.

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2016, 03:32:14 am »
any stereo widening effect helps in my opinion.

you can copy the channel, pan one left all the way and the other right all the way, then give some a few m/s delay and you should hear it widen up. Alternatively, you could download ADT by vacuumsound, found here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/adt_by_vacuumsound

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2016, 04:40:43 am »
This may seem counter-intuitive but I like to cut-off (hipass) the signal pretty steeply right at about the frequency of the lowest note of either my chord or lead. This causes less conflict with little artifacts in the low end when mixing the saws, which also means they have a tighter space to fill.

Saturation is also nice at little concentrations when I'm using the supersaw as a lead.
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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2016, 07:50:56 pm »
Don't know if it helps but one trick I always do in my supersaws is put a turned down square wave in them. I feel like with most saws it's the bass that makes the biggest difference.

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2016, 08:25:25 pm »
A really nice thing to do is to use a bandsplitter to add distortion/reverb to the 3k-7k range. Allows for some really full-sounding top-ends without ruining the crispness of the basses

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2016, 08:26:13 pm »
I'm curious to know what everyone does to make their supersaws hit their audience in the face. What techniques do you use?


I have used 3 layers. Each layer does something different. I've used one layer for the mid to low portion that is detuned but with not much stereo spread. Then I use 2 higher frequency layers. One has some detune but not a lot, and moderate stereo spread. I sometimes try to use this layer for the attack/plucky part of the sound as needed. The top layer is detuned quite a bit and has maximum stereo spread. The amount of detune depends on your taste. You could also add another layer in the low mids that has a more plucky sound if you desire more attack. As far a reverb?  I add the most reverb to the layers with the most detune and stereo spread. Kind of a cumulative effect. Reverb is not as critical on the lower frequencies. The high frequencies usually have quite a bit of release as well so I use reverb cautiously.

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2016, 11:36:57 am »
layers for high, mid, main, I'm trying to develop my layering atm..

sidechaining, i've seen sidechaining not just to a ghost kick but different types of lead sidechaining

panning, a strong bass, sub bass underneath the leads, saturation, reverb etc

using the eq to get the best out of it, eqing is so so Important.. I'm still learning about it
 then the mix down has to be good too in the end

hmm...and then try adding fills FX, in between the leads, something like that, and then clap, snare, ride after 8 bars...i love it when the snare, clap, etc kick in, its like yeah c'mon
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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2016, 12:21:46 pm »
I told my lil' supersaw to drink a glass of milk everyday so he would grow of big.

Worked for me.

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2016, 01:14:46 pm »
Less detuned oscilattors have less stereo, higher octaves have more detune and are full stereo, you can try make them more side using MSED or Pro-Q2
Multiband distortion
Hi-pass at 150-250 Hz, you don`t need that
you need a sub bass and a nice gritty mid bass
Layer various synths
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I remember Audien saying he uses sth like Waves GTR Maserati? to make them sound more agressive

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2016, 02:25:49 pm »
- White noise (Can't believe no one mentioned it yet, such a big difference!)
- Several layers (each layer fills eachother up at different frequencties) (can put effects such as phasers, saturators on some) and change what they play. For example the top pads play high notes only.
- Low cut around 100hz with a soft slope. That means overlap with the bass pad. So many cut around 250hz.. don't do it.. unless you want a high hz pad, then cuts lots.
- Send to one bus and compress (+ whatever effects you like)
- Panning (L + R)
- Choosing the right sounds.
- Lots of reverb (send channel to bus channel)
- Delay (send channel to bus channel) 
- A->B between mono and stereo (phase issues)
- Proper EQ (m/s)
- Pluck playing with pads

+ some already mentioned above, just play around.

That's more or less how I do it. Effects varies on the channels depending on the sound or what I want to archieve.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2016, 03:13:19 pm by Ferio »

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Re: What are some techniques you use to make your supersaws bigger?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2016, 06:42:54 pm »
I told my lil' supersaw to drink a glass of milk everyday so he would grow of big.

Worked for me.
Do you sport with it? Because I showel a bottle of milk down my supersaw's throat every single day and it doesn't get bigger. It gets fatter, lazier, depressed about bass being more strong and punchy, but it just won't get bigger.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2016, 07:19:30 pm by FarleyCZ »
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