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Jazzy chords
« on: January 06, 2016, 04:23:16 am »
I'd like to incorporate more jazzy chords in my music. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on how to structure basic jazz chords and such
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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 04:27:10 am »
Major 7ths, Major 9ths. Start there, but that's just the very beginning.

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 04:43:19 am »
this is a deep, deep rabbit hole, haha. i'll give you some key areas to focus on, hopefully pointing you in the right direction

start by working with 7th chords. major 7th, minor 7th, and dominant 7th are your core three. learn how scale degrees work: for example, if you're in the key of C major, if you play a D chord, it should be a D minor chord because it's the second scale degree in that key. if you want you can read about the circle of fifths, and modes if you're feeling adventurous.

above all though: EXPERIMENT. watch videos and read pages about jazz chords and jazz theory, and try to write some progressions. if you're stuck, listen to a song that you like and see if you can figure out the chord progression just by listening to the song. that's really good for training your ear. finally, once you have something, share it: people with a lot more knowledge than you or me are on here and can help you with specific questions you might have.

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 05:17:51 am »
Extended chords and harmonic modulation might be helpful to understand for achieving that sound.

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2016, 05:49:53 am »
Totally agree with what soupandreas was saying, also the importance of listening to jazz can't be overlooked. While sometimes it might be tedious to learn jazz chords/progressions, the best inspiration is in listening to jazz. Recently, I've been hooked on Robert Glasper, Cory Henry, Bill Laurance to name a few keyboard players. Oh, also Tennyson and Haywyre are both doing amazing things with jazz + electronic music

Anyways, I would also check out PDFs of jazz chords explained, even though it is kind of advanced. Search "Bill Evans voicings" and there are a ton of resources he designed for understanding jazz chords visually, not just aurally. Sometimes all it takes is one chord to inspire you in a track! Hope this helps.

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2016, 05:51:53 am »
Totally agree with what soupandreas was saying, also the importance of listening to jazz can't be overlooked. While sometimes it might be tedious to learn jazz chords/progressions, the best inspiration is in listening to jazz. Recently, I've been hooked on Robert Glasper, Cory Henry, Bill Laurance to name a few keyboard players. Oh, also Tennyson and Haywyre are both doing amazing things with jazz + electronic music

Anyways, I would also check out PDFs of jazz chords explained, even though it is kind of advanced. Search "Bill Evans voicings" and there are a ton of resources he designed for understanding jazz chords visually, not just aurally. Sometimes all it takes is one chord to inspire you in a track! Hope this helps.

Can't disagree with this. I know barely any theory honestly but writing jazzy stuff is a piece of cake to me because I have the jazz station on pretty much 24/7 :D

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2016, 06:07:58 am »
Try playing 7ths/9ths/11ths/13ths/ as well as trying inversions on these. Also playing dominant 7ths with flattened 5ths can sound nice too!

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2016, 06:36:27 am »
The most obvious thing to do is add 7ths and higher extensions (# or b 9ths/11ths/13ths) to a regular diatonic progression and see if it works. You can also replace dom7 chords with another dom7 built on a root a tritone away - tritone substitutions create chromatic movement in the bass and that's a pretty common thing to do in jazz. The "level" of jazziness ultimately depends on how many chromatic passing tones and non-diatonic spice are added.

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2016, 06:41:51 am »
if you're not a person to learn by reading, and more by examples+practices, you should definitely try :

https://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab

you can learn by going through songs that have been analyzed. it's quite flexible, you can check what a chord sounded like in a song
just by clicking, you can see how it is on a virtual keyboard, you can change the scale and tempo. but mostly, you can go and find
variations of a chord progression just by "searching" :D have fun !

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2016, 08:41:48 am »
Would suggest understanding modes and use T9 T11 and T13 chords!

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2016, 08:46:41 am »
ayyy I got you. So check out 7th and 9th chords like folks have been saying, but for a modern jazz sound, also check out/mix in quartal chords as well. Here's an example:

instead of playing Cmaj7 with a 9th, which is
c e g b d
play a quartal version
c    e a d
e, a, and d are all a fourth a part. d, the ninth, is still the top most note, so you keep some of the properties of the the maj7 version, but the fourths lend it this super striking quality. It can help to kick that c down an octave.

ALSO check out quintal chords. Like, instead of standard fm7
f ab c eb
we're gonna get all wiggy.
f c g ab eb Bb

f, c, and g are all a fifth apart. same thing with ab, eb, and Bb. The result are these huge, rich chords.

Other stuff you should check out: secondary dominants, ii-Vs, and different voicings. Here are some helpful videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-bZje31xsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJYRX5YW_eI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeXueyqh4JE




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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2016, 06:41:46 pm »
In simplest terms, you can start by voicing chords with only the root, 3rd and 7th.  That is all the information you need to tell if a chord is major, minor or dominant.

Normally I wouldn't recommend a real book, but for looking at how harmony moves they're great!  I would also recommend stealing chords from one of the charts inside the real book and try to produce a simple track with the voicing I illustrated above.  It's never considered cheating to steal chords from jazz standards.  It's actually called a contrafact if you do.  Swindle took the chord changes from "Autumn Leaves" to make the track "Summer Fruits."

That would be a good place to start!

Cheers!
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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2016, 11:32:46 pm »
how do u guys feel about moving out of diatonic harmony? tritone use? tritone substitution? does it hold a place in electronic music? are casual music listeners ready to hear that sound?

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2016, 11:35:57 pm »
how do u guys feel about moving out of diatonic harmony? tritone use? tritone substitution? does it hold a place in electronic music? are casual music listeners ready to hear that sound?
Sure they are. Non-diatonic modes are good for setting a darker mood in heavier dubstep, diminished chords are easy to work into a progression if you resolve them, and tritone substitution would probably sound great in a jazzier Madeon-type track.

E This Monstercat track with almost two million views uses borrowed chords.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2016, 11:48:37 pm by Wontolla »

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Re: Jazzy chords
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 12:45:54 am »
the wonders of jazz is that you always make a chord progression out of scratch, whether it be your own derived from common root sequences (2-5-1-x), or spicing up the chord progression of a song you want to remix.

as everyone else said 7th chords are an easy way to get a lush jazz sound, theyre probably one of the most prominent, if not the most. feel free to break out of key and walk along the chromatic scale, just do it right (I cant explain what I mean by this, but it just comes with time and experience for what sounds beautifully dissonant, and what just sounds totally totally wrong)

if you want to immerse yourself in basic jazz progression/chords but still want to stay in the electronic music domain, listen to the future club scene (future bass and shit, and no not all of is the Kawaii wannabe wave racer crap if you hate that) bc theyre currently destroying the jazz-electro scene Imo.

also, pop music in the eastern world (jpop/kpop, etc) incorporate tons of jazz in their stuff. I can never find the same old progressions getting old bc theres always a way to make things totally interesting, not like western pop i.e. 1-5-6-4 or pachelbells sequence. why is this so? bc Jazz

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