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What does it mean if a loop is labelled F?

It is F minor.
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It is F Major.
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What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« on: January 16, 2016, 02:33:25 am »
What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? Is it F Major or F Minor?

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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 02:47:54 am »
Is it necessarily either?  If it only uses the 1st (F), 2nd (G) and the 5th (C), then it works for both.  In my sample collection, most of the time, when there's no M or m, then it has been both.
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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 09:11:32 am »
Whether a loop is in a minor or major key is determined by the tonal center of the loop. It CANNOT be both at the same time. However like deathy says below it can work for both depending on the circumstances of the loop.

Is it necessarily either?  If it only uses the 1st (F), 2nd (G) and the 5th (C), then it works for both.  In my sample collection, most of the time, when there's no M or m, then it has been both.

Let me clarify a bit on what deathy is trying to say here.

The notes in F Major are F, G, A, B♭, C, D, and E
The notes in F Minor are F, G, A♭, B♭, C, D♭, and E♭.

Notice how all the notes in these two keys are different aside from the 1st (F), 2nd (G) and the 5th (C)?

If the loop uses these three notes then the loop can POTENTIALLY be used in either of these keys. However it CANNOT be in both at the same time. To tell whether a loop is in F major or F minor listen to the notes. Listen to the chord progression. Does it sound like a F minor chord is the home of the loop? If thats the case then the loop is in F minor. If it sounds like an F Major chord is the home then the same rules apply. The most important thing is to listen to the cadence (resolution) of the bass.
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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 10:28:04 am »
Or you can use relative scales. If it's in F major (probably ment that way) it means it works well in D minor.
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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 10:31:56 am »
What does it mean if a loop is labelled F?

It means it's labelled bad.

Maybe it are drum loops, referring to te tone of the kick?

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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 01:00:45 pm »
For a lot of percussion loops with no chords or musical variance, it simply means it's root note is F.
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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 03:59:16 pm »
If the loop uses these three notes then the loop can POTENTIALLY be used in either of these keys. However it CANNOT be in both at the same time.


No, that's not what I was saying.  What I was saying is that if the loop only uses those three notes, which is not uncommon in, say, bass loops or some other types of loops, then it is flexible, it is not in either key, the only strong indicator for it is that it has F as a root note.  It is the other notes in the scale that indicate major or minor, not the 1st, 2nd or 5th note of the scale.


I have seen a whole lot of bass loops that do not use the entire scale, many of which only use the Tonic, or the Tonic and the Fifth.  The Second, not so much, but it would still not have an impact.
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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 07:34:16 pm »
I've usually understood it as if there's no "FMaj/FMin" labeling, "F" would mean F major and Fm would mean F minor. It's always good to listen to the sample and try to identify the notes being played too, whenever you're not sure.

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Re: What does it mean if a loop is labelled F? (Minor or Major)?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 09:12:27 pm »
generally in sample packs when things are straight up major scales they are labelled F but if it's minor they 9/10 times label it with (min) after the letter