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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2016, 10:02:03 pm »
i like clipping on sounds, but master  :o

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2016, 10:19:53 pm »
i like clipping on sounds, but master  :o
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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2016, 12:30:01 pm »
I want to clear some things up, because i see a lot of misinformation here.

Clipping does not give warmth unless done with an analog table, no exceptions. Digital clipping gives a harsh sound which will never sound the same as analog clipping.

Clipping on the master is something thats done a pretty often by mastering engineers I know. You just got to use your ears and find the right balance between loudness and distortion. I do not, however, recommend doing this on small non monitor speakers.

And it's something you should only do when it will enhance the listening experience, there is no point in clipping the sh*t out of a slow ballad song. It will sound off.
 

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2016, 06:10:14 pm »
Like clipping? Try Sonnox Inflator - the best clipper + psyco acoustical processor IMHO.
Want to use clipper as mastering limiter - google "infected mushroom clipping" - they use 2 sounds cards (rme and orpheus) to record from 96 to 44.1, etc

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2016, 12:30:37 am »
As everybody has said, clipping the master tends to be a "no-no" but clipping individual instruments can add distortion that can be harnessed to create something pretty unique
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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2016, 01:16:56 am »
Like clipping? Try Sonnox Inflator - the best clipper + psyco acoustical processor IMHO.
Want to use clipper as mastering limiter - google "infected mushroom clipping" - they use 2 sounds cards (rme and orpheus) to record from 96 to 44.1, etc
How different is this to the UAD Precision Maximizer?

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2016, 12:32:37 pm »
Clipping is absolutely a great way to fatten up individual channels, what you should never do is clip the master. Other than that clipping is a great tool

Weirdly enough, if you listen to Onra, the guy has some super minor clipping post-master to give it analogue warmth...whatever that means, LOL

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can get warmth from digital clipping.

Digital clipping just removes bits from the input audio. The bitloss results in a distorted sound. Digital clipping =! analog warmth.

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2016, 12:39:15 pm »
Clipping on the master is common in EDM mastering but is not usually mentioned. I recently discovered KClip which is a revolutionary plugin, i recommend checking it out.

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2016, 08:50:32 pm »
As much as people say never ever clip on the master, that's not entirely true. Clipping is a tool like anything else, there's a time to use it for a desired result, and if abused has some pretty serious consequences in terms of distortion and artifacts.

That said, clipping is an extremely routine process for me when mastering, whether it be with a plugin or clipping my converters going from my analog chain back into the digital domain. A limiter will (usually) push transients down in order to prevent distortion, and the result is loss of impact. Clipping on the other hand tends to retain a better perception of those original transients (I say perception, because they're not there anymore, but they've been cut off rather than pushed down) at the cost of distortion. Most of my masters will have small amounts of gain using both methods to get a balance.

Some tracks just don't have enough transient response to begin with and would sound completely flat with a limiter, so in those cases hard clipping can be better, if the instrumentation is capable of masking small amounts of distortion. You just need to be extra careful, because the tiniest bit too far and it's basically ruined.

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2016, 10:54:05 pm »
As much as people say never ever clip on the master, that's not entirely true. Clipping is a tool like anything else, there's a time to use it for a desired result, and if abused has some pretty serious consequences in terms of distortion and artifacts.

That said, clipping is an extremely routine process for me when mastering, whether it be with a plugin or clipping my converters going from my analog chain back into the digital domain. A limiter will (usually) push transients down in order to prevent distortion, and the result is loss of impact. Clipping on the other hand tends to retain a better perception of those original transients (I say perception, because they're not there anymore, but they've been cut off rather than pushed down) at the cost of distortion. Most of my masters will have small amounts of gain using both methods to get a balance.

Some tracks just don't have enough transient response to begin with and would sound completely flat with a limiter, so in those cases hard clipping can be better, if the instrumentation is capable of masking small amounts of distortion. You just need to be extra careful, because the tiniest bit too far and it's basically ruined.

I agree with this. But I think it's better to clip separate groups of instruments than the whole master channel for desired loud mixdown. So, for example if u make some loud tune with basses and drums, you can make clipped compressed drums at 0db and some compressed bass mix buss 0.5-0.7db lower. Drums as a result would feel sound punchier.
But I prefer doing mixing in a lazy way and clip the master channel. But that may sound bad as a result.

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2016, 01:59:27 pm »
This is great tool for clipping:

http://kazrog.com/products/kclip/

50% at the moment so it'll cost you about £7. Well worth it.

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2016, 04:35:41 pm »
If you want a good a example of clipping a master, listen to Audien's stuff. It's interesting cause you hear some distortion in the track, but it's hidden in the mids most of the time. I used to clip my master until I realized how harsh and different it can sound on certain PA's versus other ones. I don't recommend clipping the master, but if you do, make sure it's extremely slight like 0.1-0.3 db. Otherwise clipping individual channels before the master can be very useful if needed.

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2016, 04:43:55 pm »
GClip is a favourite of mine, similar to KClip but a little simplified and, best of all, free. (Windows only)

http://www.gvst.co.uk/gclip.htm
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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2016, 11:21:48 pm »
Let me just add my two cents because I think it's worth re-emphasizing (others have mentioned) that with floating point architectures most DAWs don't allow clipping (above 0dB/in the red) to actually result in distortion. This is just how the digital environment works. In specifically fact in Logic I think the default if you're clipping on your master is for the bounced/exported file to simply be turned down to avoid nasty digital clip distortion.

That being said you CAN still overload/clip in some plugins! The Sound Toys plugins for instance will clip/distort slightly within the plugin because they aren't really programmed to output values above 0dB. That's just the way they're programmed which is why I always like to leave lots of headroom so that I have moderate level gain going into plugins like that. That's also why Sound Toys usually gives input/output gain knobs in their plugins as well. Either way if you like the way the distortion sounds then by all means go for it!

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Re: Let's talk clipping
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2016, 01:15:14 am »
anybody here use kclip for mastering? i'm trying it out right now and i can't seem to get it sounding very good. anyone have some tips to get it sounding better?