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Running audio through cassette tape form warmth HELP
« on: January 12, 2016, 07:12:00 pm »
help pls. I want to run some of my tracks from ableton through a tape recorder to give them some cool tape saturation and warmth. I want to start experimenting with the sounds it makes but only problem is I am not exactly sure how to.
All I would need is some kind of cassette recorder or tape recorder and an audio interface right??

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Re: Running audio through cassette tape form warmth HELP
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 07:27:34 pm »
Before dropping money on any physical hardware, give Satin, TB Ferox, and TB ReelBus a try. They all have trial versions to allow you to see what tape saturation is like, and both Satin and TB ReelBus are modeled after tape hardware.

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Re: Running audio through cassette tape form warmth HELP
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2016, 02:52:08 am »
I tried that once, some times the analogue sound you want can only come from the real deal. Signals through tubes and such is different than 1's and 0's. That being said, i've experimented with what you're asking and it does give a cool effect. I think you have to mix it a certain way to get all the information onto the tape.

You'd need to look into DAC (digital to audio converter i beleive) or see if your interface can take an output signal from your headphones and put it into an instrument  section, or preamp to input (preamp important).

I was not the one who experimented with it, but i think the signal flow should be something like that if you want to experiment. probably can adjust input levels and tweak it when it's in the daw.
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Re: Running audio through cassette tape form warmth HELP
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2016, 08:04:31 pm »
The process is quite simple: you most likely won’t be able to do what you want to do in real time (IE using the tape machine like an external compressor), because I don’t know of a tape machine (other than a tape DELAY machine) that’s designed to record a sound and play it back, off tape, in the same moment. You’d most likely end up recording sound to tape, then when you’re done recording, rewinding the tape and playing it back into your computer and re-recording there.

So you’d need both a cassette machine and an audio interface with a good quality line level stereo output and input.

I had cassette recorders and hi-fi cassette decks when I was a kid though, and they’re not without problems. For instance, if they’re old or in bad condition, they’ll probably be quite hissy; if the tape’s not high quality and fresh, you might well get unwelcome distortion from the tape degrading; and because the motors & tension components are rarely perfect in non-profesional equipment, you might get audible pitch-wobbling. Like, I used to try to record pianos on consumer cassette decks and it always sounded crappy, because you really hear pitch modulation in a recording of a piano.

Maybe you love all of your cassette machine’s idiosyncracies, but…

Anyway, I’ve got the TB Reelbus plugin on my computer, and I love it - great for fattening up bass. Stick some drums through it, boost levels until you’re just maxing out the meters, then put something after it to tighten up the low end: very good for making a drum mix tougher, heavier…

To be honest I’d start in software - don’t see retro hardware as a silver bullet, it comes with a load of challenges.

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Re: Running audio through cassette tape form warmth HELP
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2016, 08:26:08 pm »
Try U-He's Satin. Best tape emulation I've heard. It doesnť blow you right away like for example Wintage Warmer, but I remember how old cassete recordings played by old walkmans sounded when I was a kid and Satin can get it pretty on point. If you like it, then you may think about buying a hardware machine.

...having said that, you have to remember those things:

- The good recorder is extremely expansive.
- Tapes are expansive too today and they wear off, so you have to buy new ones every now or then. No way around it.
- Effects it adds is wobbly frequency response with low mids bump, a slightly resonant highend (depends on high-emphasis circuits), wow & flutter (pitchmodulation caused by motor speed not being totally stable), saturation and sometimes width expansion. None of these effects is "warm" on it's own. It's the combination. Point is, you can make those effects yourself. During mixdown (per channel if you want) or on the synthesiser itself during sounddesign. It'll cost you nothing and you can preserve some clean elements for a nice fresh contrast. :)

Also museumoftechno's post is right. Don't consider it a processor. It's the old and slow way. Record it 1:1 and play it back 1:1. :)
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Re: Running audio through cassette tape form warmth HELP
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2016, 12:01:47 am »
If you're still concidering going to the hardware option (which is relatively cheap for cassette recording), just remember that cassette tape won't achieve the 'tape warmth' that we all know and love, its a completely different sound from reel-to-reel tape. that being said, you can still get some cool stuff out of it. for example, in hot sugar's track "the seagull", he used a microwaved cassette tape to create the melty sounding piano riff used throughout the track.