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Ghost Production: Discuss
« on: January 10, 2016, 05:45:05 pm »
I didn't know which section to put this under, but I felt this came closest as often it can seem like your fighting a losing battle for exposure when bigger artists can just buy a song and make it huge.

Personally I would say overall I don't agree with ghost production, it seems unfair that artists get all the credit having done no work for it.

BUT then sometimes I think people are too quick to jump to conclusions. It seems now almost 90% of collaborations that happen it is just assumed that only one of them did any of the work and then immediately the other artist is written off as a fraud who never writes his own music.

Also people wouldn't ghost produce if it didn't benefit them, at the end of the day they are getting paid and are likely to gain the exposure some point down the road. And others don't want to be in the limelight.

Like I said at the start, fundamentally I disagree with it, but think that at times it can work in the favour of both parties.

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 06:32:32 pm »
There are places for it, e.g., as a big producer trying to give ups to a signee on your label, or being a starving musician early in your career. Tbh though, in most cases it's dishonest, and, just from observation, mediocre and generic.


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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 06:47:19 pm »
honestly i'm kind of against the whole concept - it's a good market for producers with good knowledge of how the industry works and whatnot
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 12:08:19 pm by morgan »

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2016, 06:47:23 pm »
Some people do not want to be famous, they just want to make music. I would never begrudge someone for doing that, especially since there are certain genres where that type of work is expected to happen (Pop). Lady Gaga was a ghostwriter before she started her own career. Kendrick Lamarr, Jay-Z, Ludacris, and many other well known rappers wrote bars for Dr. Dre. Even many of the most famous hollywood composers have ghostwriters, just because of how hard it would be for one person to write some of these major blockbuster soundtracks alone.

In electronic music, like in rap, it feels like a betrayal or a scam only for those who care about the process behind the music. You have your Meek Mills, who pride themselves on their lyrical ability and the fact that they can make their way through nothing but their own creativity. Then you have your Drakes, who pride themselves on their ability to perform and entertain their audience - it's not a big deal how much of the creative work behind it was theirs, because their creativity is in their stage presence.

I've actually asked non-producer friends of mine if they care that Armin or Tiesto uses ghostwriters for all their songs, and they could not care less. They just wanna hear good music.

Who am I to tell them that they're wrong?

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 07:23:41 pm »
Interesting to see different opinions. I was worried nobody would agree with me that there can be a place for it but seeming some do. Thanks for sharing your opinions guys.

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 07:44:03 pm »
I don't have anything against those who do the ghost producing, it's those who buy the tracks that bother me.

Putting everything aside about undermining those who put years and years into learning how to make their own stuff, it forces people who buy these tracks to lie to their fans.
 
That's my #1 problem with it.

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 10:13:15 pm »
I've actually asked non-producer friends of mine if they care that Armin or Tiesto uses ghostwriters for all their songs, and they could not care less. They just wanna hear good music.

Who am I to tell them that they're wrong?

That's true. Some people really could care less. One thing thats worth mentioning though, is that people who don't write their own music will never experience what it feels like to get compliments from people. They might say "Thank You" but know inside they didn't make it. Not that I have an opinion on if its "right or wrong" but I just know they won't experience that amazing feeling  :D
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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 12:31:13 am »
Some people can, some people can't.

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 11:33:01 am »
I would be disagreeing at first but then I don't really think I care.

The main stuff for me is enjoying music, yes sometimes it's disappointing to know that a certain artist didn't make himself a certain track. But then so what. Most of this happen, as far as I know, to more mainstream sides of EDM which I'm not that much into anyway. And I would still like the track anyway

Another good example. I've been at Tomorrowland 2014 and it was one of the best time in my life. There are so much discussions about real live mixed set or prerecorded stuff. And well, on sunday night with overly mainstream artists like David Guetta or Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike I didn't care for a second. It was much about the combination of light, fireworks and music perfectly synched than the mixing skills. Even if I'm much more into dubstep/dnb and so on at first

So yeah, against the idea but all that matters is the fun I can have. So maybe I'll just leave it to the "artists" that are having ghost producers, and their conscience about that

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 12:43:05 pm »
Ghost producing is such a dirty word but its important, all the big rappers like jay z and kanye west have ghost producers, in the pop world, justin bieber and all that have ghost producers, even the great thomas edison had ghost producers and engineers working for him, obama has a team of advisors to advise him what to do, etc people love steve jobs for apple but it was wozniack and Jonathan Ive who are the true designers. i dont see that as any different to electronic music, because when money is involved people want to get involved, i dunno ghost producing works both ways, if you're a talented producer without a name yet, a big dj can get involved and help you, once you get better you can develop your brand, etc, mark sixma was ghost producing for years before he made a name for himself, nicky romero was a ghost producer for david guetta, and now has a big name, people criticise armin but armin is the only reason why trance is still alive and strong today, armin is the greatest and i would ghost produce for him if it helped my career haha LOL.
you need the right attitude/skills and to meet a person who gives you a chance for a career to happen, theres just no money in producing with illegal downloads, torrent etc its gig ticket sales and spotify streams, youtube etc, but at the end of the day we all make music cause we love and enjoy to do it.

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2016, 01:34:37 pm »
I personally don't mind ghostproducers in a way.

The thing I can personally feel digusted about is that DJ's can be so proud of a track that they didn't made even of barely touched.

There are many talented producers/dj's out there who simply don't get a chance, while people who just buy there way in become populair!

The same thing about the whole scene behind beatport, Itunes and the rest of those top blabla stuff. There are several groups who you pay $5 per track download and they buy & download xxxx times your track from different IP's from those websites.

Those groups are not advertised on the internet, but if you have the connections...

If you look at the EDM scene, trance, dubstep and so on, it takes like 250-300 downloads to get in the top 10.

Shorter to say; Hire a ghost producer & pay for downloads = Popularity & then just get your income from DJ gigs.

« Last Edit: January 11, 2016, 01:37:37 pm by Ferio »

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2016, 03:58:11 pm »
At the end of the day, I can be proud of the music I make. That's why I do this.

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Re: Ghost Production: Discuss
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2016, 05:10:20 pm »
Be your own ghost producer