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Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« on: January 10, 2016, 08:25:51 am »
Hey all,

I believe the topic of 'workflow' falls under the category of 'Composition/Arrangement/Theory' despite the fact that a lot of us include sampling, mixing, and plugins IN our workflow, that all culminates into a full composition which is why it is here.

Anyway, this thread is here for tips and tricks of the trade, questions, etc. about the process of making music as well as posting any good resources that you've found useful.

I'll start:

My DAW of choice is FL Studio, while I do own Cubase, Reason, and Ableton, I prefer FL Studio. I'm most comfortable in it. I've recently been developing a large collection of .FSC files, which are 'save files' of a piano roll state. I say 'state' because it only saves the position of the notes by measure in time and frequency. It doesn't matter which instrument or channel you used to make the piano roll. These files are really useful to make saves of drum beats, chord progressions, and scales. I categorize my drums by instrument (kick, tom, snare, hats), and by time signature. For chords and scales I categorize my FSC files by key and/or mode. I've done some digging through the internet and it really surprises me that these files aren't more popular. I've never found anywhere that has a good library or 'packs' of them and they're great for composing. Instead of picking away at each note in the piano roll over and over, I have plenty of licks and rolls at the click of button.

In lieu of resources, there's a nice chord and scale reference project for ableton that can be found here: http://www.ageofthewheel.com/2010/11/circle-of-fifths-chord-resource-in.html

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 01:49:56 pm »
If I may ask, what is the difference betweeen .FSC and midi?

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 07:50:29 pm »
If you can't think of something to add on a current project, save it and move on to another, or take a break.

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2016, 09:43:58 pm »
I also use FL Studio. A tip I have for people struggling with drum patterning (which is not something I struggle with as I'm a drummer), is to lay down drum patterns in the playlist like this:



instead of laying drum patterns down in the piano roll like this:



and this:



Laying your drums down in the playlist, like I did in the first example, really pushes you to be creative. Force yourself not to copy and paste a loop of drums, but rather lay down the drums in the playlist separately for every part of the song. This allows you to fit every little drum hit exactly how you want it, without wasting a bunch of patterns.

The first example drum pattern sounds like this. The pattern doesn't get stale because it changes throughout the loop. That being said, it still has a consistent groove to it. Adding little percussion blips and bloops here and there really spices up this pattern.

The second drum loop sounds like this. Evidently, the first pattern is way better than this one. This pattern gets boring after a while, due to the lack of variation. I didn't force myself to be creative with this one, I didn't add any little sounds that could spice up the loop, and I didn't even bother to add fills, or any extra percussion for that matter.

Force yourself to be creative with your drum loops. It can really make or break a song.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 09:47:06 pm »
I also use FL Studio. A tip I have for people struggling with drum patterning (which is not something I struggle with as I'm a drummer), is to lay down drum patterns in the playlist like this:

<snip>

instead of laying drum patterns down in the piano roll like this:

<snip>

and this:

<snip>

Laying your drums down in the playlist, like I did in the first example, really pushes you to be creative. Force yourself not to copy and paste a loop of drums, but rather lay down the drums in the playlist separately for every part of the song. This allows you to fit every little drum hit exactly how you want it, without wasting a bunch of patterns.

The first example drum pattern sounds like this. The pattern doesn't get stale because it changes throughout the loop. That being said, it still has a consistent groove to it. Adding little percussion blips and bloops here and there really spices up this pattern.

The second drum loop sounds like this. Evidently, the first pattern is way better than this one. This pattern gets boring after a while, due to the lack of variation. I didn't force myself to be creative with this one, I didn't add any little sounds that could spice up the loop, and I didn't even bother to add fills, or any extra percussion for that matter.

Force yourself to be creative with your drum loops. It can really make or break a song.

Hope this helps!

I always thought people who did this in FL were wasting their time, but you actually have a really really good point. I think I'll give this a go. :)

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 09:55:26 pm »
I also use FL Studio. A tip I have for people struggling with drum patterning (which is not something I struggle with as I'm a drummer), is to lay down drum patterns in the playlist like this:

<snip>

instead of laying drum patterns down in the piano roll like this:

<snip>

and this:

<snip>

Laying your drums down in the playlist, like I did in the first example, really pushes you to be creative. Force yourself not to copy and paste a loop of drums, but rather lay down the drums in the playlist separately for every part of the song. This allows you to fit every little drum hit exactly how you want it, without wasting a bunch of patterns.

The first example drum pattern sounds like this. The pattern doesn't get stale because it changes throughout the loop. That being said, it still has a consistent groove to it. Adding little percussion blips and bloops here and there really spices up this pattern.

The second drum loop sounds like this. Evidently, the first pattern is way better than this one. This pattern gets boring after a while, due to the lack of variation. I didn't force myself to be creative with this one, I didn't add any little sounds that could spice up the loop, and I didn't even bother to add fills, or any extra percussion for that matter.

Force yourself to be creative with your drum loops. It can really make or break a song.

Hope this helps!

I always thought people who did this in FL were wasting their time, but you actually have a really really good point. I think I'll give this a go. :)

Thanks man! I had the same mindset. I watched The Making of: Still Don't Understand a while back, he is one of my favourite producers, and that is one of my favourite songs. One thing I really like about his music is his work with percussion, the guy is great at it. So recently it hit me, "How does he get such a consistent but variating groove in his drums?" So I watched the video again, and I saw his drums laid out in the playlist. So I gave it a go, and it really helped, as you can tell by the examples. :)

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 09:58:13 pm »

Thanks man! I had the same mindset. I watched The Making of: Still Don't Understand a while back, he is one of my favourite producers, and that is one of my favourite songs. One thing I really like about his music is his work with percussion, the guy is great at it. So recently it hit me, "How does he get such a consistent but variating groove in his drums?" So I watched the video again, and I saw his drums laid out in the playlist. So I gave it a go, and it really helped, as you can tell by the examples. :)




Ooh I actually meant to watch that video but never got around to it. Now is the perfect time since all I'm doing is trolling these forums anyway. :)

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 10:01:19 pm »

Thanks man! I had the same mindset. I watched The Making of: Still Don't Understand a while back, he is one of my favourite producers, and that is one of my favourite songs. One thing I really like about his music is his work with percussion, the guy is great at it. So recently it hit me, "How does he get such a consistent but variating groove in his drums?" So I watched the video again, and I saw his drums laid out in the playlist. So I gave it a go, and it really helped, as you can tell by the examples. :)




Ooh I actually meant to watch that video but never got around to it. Now is the perfect time since all I'm doing is trolling these forums anyway. :)

Definitely would watch the video, so many little things that are helpful. The guy is a production god to me, so I've watched that video a couple times by now. :P

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 10:11:57 pm »
This one is more geared towards ableton users, I learned it from watching Deadmau5 on Twitch.  It's basically a really simple way to save a sound, midi, and audio while also including the effects chain.

Make a new folder called whatever you want (I like ableton clips) -> drag and drop the midi from the channel you want into the browser, this will create an .alc file which you can then use later to pull into any session you want.  It saves everything tied to that channel including midi and effects chains.  You can also do this with groups, and it will save the group as an ableton .als project

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Re: Workflow Thread -- General Workflow Tips and Discussion
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 06:58:41 am »
For FL users:

If you ever forget a cool melody you were noodling or you can't remember the chords you just played, you can always go to Tools > Dump score log to pattern and it will dump everything you played in the last 15 minutes into the current pattern. I use this all the time because it keeps me from getting out of the zone trying to remember something I played,