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Making a mix sound fuller
« on: January 10, 2016, 06:21:40 am »
Hi all,

I'm a somewhat beginner music producer and am wondering how bigger producers make their mixes sound fuller. It's hard to explain, but my end mixes often feel like they lack that punch to them. If you have some tips for making a fuller/punchier mix, please help me!

Thanks  :)

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 06:31:20 am »
Are you using reference tracks?

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 06:32:47 am »
Are you using reference tracks?

I have no idea what a reference track is, so no!  :)

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2016, 06:38:10 am »
Here's a Dada Life video on it.

The basic idea is this: Take a song that you know is absolutely slamming. A full on banger. The best track in your library. Put it in an audio track on your DAW and solo it. Listen to the drop. Then unsolo, mute the track, and listen to your own drop.

What does their track have that your track doesn't? The differences should SCREAM out at you. You can use this for a lot of different areas of your own production.

Here are some videos by SeamlessR that can help explain how to analyze that sort of stuff.

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 06:40:28 am »
The fullness and punch you're talking about is the result of many small things working together, so when you make your songs, make sure you pick the right samples, EQ them to sound the fullest and best, and make sure everything has its space in the mix. Fullness comes with practice and patience.

It might help if you put a track in here so people can tell you what might cause the lack of punch in your mixdown as the explanation you gave is kind of vague, a lot of things could be the reason.

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 06:41:19 am »
Here's a Dada Life video on it.

The basic idea is this: Take a song that you know is absolutely slamming. A full on banger. The best track in your library. Put it in an audio track on your DAW and solo it. Listen to the drop. Then unsolo, mute the track, and listen to your own drop.

What does their track have that your track doesn't? The differences should SCREAM out at you. You can use this for a lot of different areas of your own production.

Here are some videos by SeamlessR that can help explain how to analyze that sort of stuff.

That's a great idea, thanks for that! I was also thinking about stereo widening and what not, would that have to do with this?

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 06:45:24 am »
Refer to the frequency spectrum. If there is a space on your spectrum that is fairly empty, your track won't sound full. when using reference tracks as mentioned above, look at how that track looks on the frequency spectrum compared to yours. you can view the frequency spectrum with most EQs by enabling the analyzer. Metering plugins also usually have spectral analyzation modules.

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 07:08:40 am »
Refer to the frequency spectrum. If there is a space on your spectrum that is fairly empty, your track won't sound full. when using reference tracks as mentioned above, look at how that track looks on the frequency spectrum compared to yours. you can view the frequency spectrum with most EQs by enabling the analyzer. Metering plugins also usually have spectral analyzation modules.

So for example, say I'm lacking in the mid and highs by a few dB, what would you suggest to flesh them out? I guess it depends on the track and the sound you're going for, but any ideas?

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 07:40:04 am »
Refer to the frequency spectrum. If there is a space on your spectrum that is fairly empty, your track won't sound full. when using reference tracks as mentioned above, look at how that track looks on the frequency spectrum compared to yours. you can view the frequency spectrum with most EQs by enabling the analyzer. Metering plugins also usually have spectral analyzation modules.

So for example, say I'm lacking in the mid and highs by a few dB, what would you suggest to flesh them out? I guess it depends on the track and the sound you're going for, but any ideas?


It definitely depends on the sound you're going for. I would suggest just layering an instrument that occupies that space to your liking. To take the reference track idea further: you can use an EQ on a reference track to isolate those specific frequencies and analyze what type of sound occupies that frequency band. Use that as inspiration and ideas for your own work. It's okay to take notes from professional producers. They are professional for a reason.

Also explore the idea of using real instruments in your work. I know logic has synthetic instruments such as pianos, keyboards, guitars, and orchestral instrument patches built in. those instruments will sound good by default because they have always sounded good, and will also occupy a wide range of frequencies, giving you more to work with when it comes to EQ. and on top of that it will give your productions a bit of an organic sound which is always nice :)

Let me know if this helps

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2016, 08:25:32 am »
Maybe you've experimented with a few audio / video editing applications and noticed some applications have a default FX chain on every channel?... usually at least an EQ, and a compressor. Apparently, that's a big step towards best-practice mixing technique. Applications like iZotope's Alloy are even designed to have a plugin instance placed on each track in your audio project. It's an EQ->Transient Shaper->Harmonic Exciter->Dual Compressor->De-esser->Limiter chain, with a thorough description of the appropriate use of each in the User's Manual. As a beginner, it can serve as a checklist of tools (in a logical order) to consult first before wading through your library of plugins without a clear direction.

You might be hard-pressed to achieve presence in trying to "correct" the mix with plugins. Consider the arrangement as well. If you can place additional instruments in the mix (positioned in the stereo field to separate them from other voices) without clutter, it'll sound more natural than boosting levels.

Chorus can be used to emulate the sound of multiple similar voices with simulated variations. Reverb adds space to a mix... used well, it can emphasize the presence of significant parts and also heighten the contrast between the foreground & background elements (3d mixing: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1994_articles/nov94/3dmixing.html). In doing so, the clarity gained adds an intensity to the overall sound.

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2016, 02:35:03 pm »
I think a good question is: what should a full frequency spectrum look like?
I can look at the spectrum anlyzer, but how do I know what is lacking?

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2016, 04:56:39 pm »
I think a good question is: what should a full frequency spectrum look like?
I can look at the spectrum anlyzer, but how do I know what is lacking?

compare to a reference track

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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2016, 10:13:23 pm »
Hi all,

I'm a somewhat beginner music producer and am wondering how bigger producers make their mixes sound fuller. It's hard to explain, but my end mixes often feel like they lack that punch to them. If you have some tips for making a fuller/punchier mix, please help me!

Thanks  :)

Layering & proper use of EQ and effects will all make a huge difference in the "fullness" of your mix.
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Re: Making a mix sound fuller
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2016, 06:06:22 am »
I think a good question is: what should a full frequency spectrum look like?
I can look at the spectrum anlyzer, but how do I know what is lacking?

maybe if it's kinda hard, you should do a filter and analyze them on separate freq range. i normally screenshot some of my fav songs on 20-100 hz, then on 100-500 hz, etc etc (using SPAN + stereo imager that has visual, like ozone 7). then compare it to how my mix is currently