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craaze

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The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« on: January 10, 2016, 12:24:50 am »
Hi guys,

I'm sure I'm not the only one stuck with this question. I'm experiencing the following dilemma.


1. I want to produce only the fullest, fattest layered soundscapes and blow everyone's minds with them.

2. I have 4 GB RAM.


Ideally, I'd have to do a lot of freezing and bouncing or resampling while working on a track, but for me it just feels like a huge obstruction of the workflow to do this. If I want to tweak something afterwards, I'd need to keep the old MIDI track which is sort of contraproductive when it comes to saving CPU. Plus, I don't like removing my sidechain tools from the channels and putting them back afterwards, they don't feel right at the end of the (new) effect chain.
On the other hand, my CPU can't handle the layers at a certain point and starts crackling, which sucks as well.


This is why I've decided to start this thread. I'd welcome all your statements to this subject, whether they are "just suck it up and start bouncing your channels" (deep inside myself, I already know it's the right thing to do) or other things. Maybe you have found a method to layer sounds while keeping your own shitty RAM in line. Maybe this will just turn out to be a huge self-help group for people who weren't blessed in the RAM department.

Enlighten me!
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 12:37:01 am »
use less heavier vsts ? or, try to bring the most out of one vst, rather than having 3 that does the same thing ?
or, try to remove sounds that you don't really need atm
or, try to start making those sounds, starting from the cores first (maybe that big chords/lead/etc). those additional comes last, so when you're hitting that cpu, you can stop peacefully
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 02:52:26 am »
What I do for layering CPU heavy synths ie. Serum: get a single sound to a point where I like it, and then bounce to wav. Do the same for the next layer. Then layer the audio files. Works for me, maybe it will for you too!
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2016, 01:10:31 pm »
I think the key is saving multiple files. I will have one with the high CPU and I will start (ABLETON) freezing and flattening tracks to clear up CPU power. I also have 4GB Ram and I run into this problem often. Also closing all other programs while you make music will help as well.

If I feel I need to change or tweak something I go to the old version and do that then copy and paste it into my new version. I don't think its an obstruction because it forces you commit to these sounds. Sounds like you're using Ableton as well. Yes it will not copy the sidechaining on any channel or group. You can just add sidechaining after you bounce or use a third party plug-in for sidechaining.
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 01:14:11 pm »
Just make a decent supersaw, finish the arrangement and stuff. Bounce the supersaw, then add another layer. Rinse and repeat.

Your sounds don't have to sound "huge" while you're working on the track, not before the last phase of arrangement at least.
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 06:35:53 pm »
I think it's pretty clear that you only have 2 options:

1. Start freezing/bouncing your tracks

2. Upgrade your CPU and RAM

Since freezing/bouncing is a much cheaper option, I suggest you go with that. If you want lots and lots of layers, other than freezing tracks, there isn't a workaround.
If you want to layer a lot, you'll need a lot of synths, a lot of synths will use a lot of resources.
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 09:04:36 pm »
I've had this problem for a while too. I use Ableton, so recently I've been just freezing > flattening tracks to get the raw audio only after I decided that the arrangement for that sound is good and I've exported the midi. Before I do that, if I really like the sound and I want to use it for another idea or something, I group all the effects and export it into its one instrument rack. That way, I could keep all my settings and tweak if necessary.
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 10:20:32 pm »
if i have to bounce stuff to audio, in Ableton i duplicate the channel, group everything to an instrument rack and save it / keep it disabled (so i still have automation in case). then bounce the original channel to audio - that way i have both the midi and automation information saved in the project and instrument rack for later use if i want!
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 02:00:22 pm »
Totally off-topic, but everytime I scroll trough this forum I read "The dilemma of bouncing and twerking, how do you do it?"  :o :o
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Re: The dilemma of bouncing and tweaking, how do you do it?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 04:44:52 am »
In pro tools I have a separate file for each instrument/group of instruments - maybe 10 per song. Then I bounce these into a Master file where I will just have a couple of reverbs, level automation and my master chain. When editing an instrument in its own file ill have all the other WAVs load also so Im doing a blind EQ or making edits without an idea of how it will effect other aspects of the mix.
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