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Inspiration/Creativity/Motivation / Re: [TL;DR] Musicianship
« on: January 15, 2016, 08:22:29 am »
hmmm there's a lot that i agree with here and some that i don't.
i don't think it's fair to say that Pop music is this always corporate thing made for the masses (i know you said most pop). first of all, every so often i hear 'curveball' pop tracks on the radio that make me think "wow this is a bold move for people to consume in mass". you know them when you hear them because they don't sound so cookie cutter and formulaic (either in production, vocal processing, lyrical content, etc). i could give examples if you want... secondly, if a truly creative individual becomes a pop sensation you can't simply discredit their rise or their future works based on the fact that they're being listened to by millions. just wanted to make that clear to start off.
i've always liked the notion that songs i LOVE might do absolutely nothing for other people. i think it's really interesting and a cool reflection on our different influences. but when the magic happens to me is when i discover that my friends love the same artist or song as i do. and it doesn't have to be this crazy underground artist either! it can be a mainstream thing and that's beautiful too! i love the social aspect of music and if one song happens to bring millions together then that's kind of a miracle in and of itself--even if the track isn't deep as we conventionally think, it's serving this very specific purpose which i feel is necessary.
there will always be counterculture and i think that's healthy to a degree. but i think denying enjoyment of something because of popularity is silly. people talk about 'guilty pleasures'... no need for the guilt! it's okay to both enjoy a pop track and also get into the subtle artistry of new, creative, underground music. these aren't mutually exclusive it's just that one may feel safe, predictable, and social while the other one speaks to a deeper part of you.
it's late and i'm not sure this post is completely cohesive but i wanted to mention quickly that, of course, nobody works in a vacuum and i feel that almost everything is borrowed. chords, melodies, rhythms, effects--to me the most successful artists are the ones that capture a relevant spirit or mood with a collage of borrowed elements (which can sometimes feel COMPLETELY novel...even if you zoom out and still hear a 12 tone scale, familiar instrumentation, etc).
as artists we should strive to look forward and be novel, but i never feel the urge to deny what i like just for the sake of avoiding copying people.
great post @auvic i love that you're getting deep into it here and would love to continue the discussion hope this doesn't seem overly adversarial
i don't think it's fair to say that Pop music is this always corporate thing made for the masses (i know you said most pop). first of all, every so often i hear 'curveball' pop tracks on the radio that make me think "wow this is a bold move for people to consume in mass". you know them when you hear them because they don't sound so cookie cutter and formulaic (either in production, vocal processing, lyrical content, etc). i could give examples if you want... secondly, if a truly creative individual becomes a pop sensation you can't simply discredit their rise or their future works based on the fact that they're being listened to by millions. just wanted to make that clear to start off.
i've always liked the notion that songs i LOVE might do absolutely nothing for other people. i think it's really interesting and a cool reflection on our different influences. but when the magic happens to me is when i discover that my friends love the same artist or song as i do. and it doesn't have to be this crazy underground artist either! it can be a mainstream thing and that's beautiful too! i love the social aspect of music and if one song happens to bring millions together then that's kind of a miracle in and of itself--even if the track isn't deep as we conventionally think, it's serving this very specific purpose which i feel is necessary.
there will always be counterculture and i think that's healthy to a degree. but i think denying enjoyment of something because of popularity is silly. people talk about 'guilty pleasures'... no need for the guilt! it's okay to both enjoy a pop track and also get into the subtle artistry of new, creative, underground music. these aren't mutually exclusive it's just that one may feel safe, predictable, and social while the other one speaks to a deeper part of you.
it's late and i'm not sure this post is completely cohesive but i wanted to mention quickly that, of course, nobody works in a vacuum and i feel that almost everything is borrowed. chords, melodies, rhythms, effects--to me the most successful artists are the ones that capture a relevant spirit or mood with a collage of borrowed elements (which can sometimes feel COMPLETELY novel...even if you zoom out and still hear a 12 tone scale, familiar instrumentation, etc).
as artists we should strive to look forward and be novel, but i never feel the urge to deny what i like just for the sake of avoiding copying people.
great post @auvic i love that you're getting deep into it here and would love to continue the discussion hope this doesn't seem overly adversarial