Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Live has a great warp feature that works a bit better with retiming audio than I've found Logic to be able to. Live also lives up to its name and allows for lives performances where Logic isn't really setup to do that. However, Logic does come with a feature very similar to melodyne which is a great feature for fixing up vocals. I feel that, if you disregard Live's ability to be used in live performance, both Live and Logic deliver a somewhat similar package. I much prefer Logic and feel more at home with it but that's most likely because I've put over a thousand hours into it while I've probably used Live for about 10 or 15 hours at most.

It seems to me that the general consensus is that Logic is better with linear arrangement (although technically they are both quite capable of this, people seem to lean towards Logic on this one) and of course Live wins the live aspect. Ableton does have more support for plugins as it can load both VST and AU plugins (Logic can only use AU) but I've not found this to be a big problem in the long run.

One other thing you may consider is that Logic is $199 for its full (and only) version, while Ableton's full Live 9 Suite comes in at $749. Ableton does offer a free trial so that is an option if you'd like to try it out, sadly Logic does not, however I'm sure you could find some way to try out Logic as well before you choose which daw to go with.

Hope that helps you out a bit, feel free to ask questions. I'll do my best to answer, plus there's a lot of both Logic and Live users here on the forums who can probably chime in if needed.

Quote from: Reuben James on January 16, 2016, 02:59:18 am

Anyone have any ideas on the bass growl type stuff in Val -Shapeshifter? Seems like it shouldn't be hard to do in serum but I'm having a bit of trouble reproducing it.

Sounds like a growl that's under a band pass or two, and the LFO on the growl itself sounds like a quarter note in a triangle or sine curve. I think I hear a flanger as part of the modulation but I'd need to mess around to try and recreate it. Mess around with a few different filter combinations and automating their cutoffs in a few different directions, and see how they sound when they're moving in the same vs. opposite directions.

If you check out SeamlessR on youtube, he does a lot of neuro tutorials and you should be able to get an idea of where to go from there.

Sweet, I'll give those things a try. And of course, seamless should've been my first place to check, completely spaced out on that.

A few things I've been doing lately:

Vocal phrases as wavetables: (I know I know everyone has done this but..) an interesting trick I like to do with this is to actually use them a bit like a vocal chop like you would do with actual lyrics. if you write a melody and automate the wavetable to a different place each time it's pretty easy to do this. You can also use the NoteOnRand in the mod matrix to do this for you if you feel lazy but I tend to get better sounds when I choose them myself.  Also you can make these bubbly with the bend/asym warp modes. I find that bend will make it more bubbly but vocal phrases generally sound more comprehensible with the asym modes.

I'd love to hear some examples of this if you don't mind.