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Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« on: September 06, 2016, 09:46:05 am »
I am wondering is it better to bounce a synth midi to audio while keeping the synth effects such as delay and reverb, or is it better to bounce without?

I ask because i've heard taking the delays and reverbs off may keep it cleaner and less messy, and the synth reverb won't class with your bus reverb.

I also hear that it is good to keep them on to keep the character of the sound, and I remember watching a video where a world class producer explains this.

So in general, is it better to keep reverb or not before bouncing? Or is it something that is dependent on the situation and it is better to use my years?

Would bouncing with Reverb be acceptable if I use fade in / fade out?

If I bounce with delay would the delay cut off if I bounce the audio for 8 bars for example?

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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2016, 11:47:11 am »
I typically tend to keep my rhtymic and stereo effects separated into one bus.

But, i also have busing going on inside my of my channels before i hit the main buss effects.


in all honesty, it depends on the sound you're working with. If you've managed to get a good mix on the sound and you're ok with making it more concrete, then go ahead and bounce it with what ever effects you have on it.


But you have to understand that those effects will be there, at the mix that you placed them for ever and until you decide to rebounce or change.



I use fade ins and outs to make sure my audio clip doesn't clip and pop.

When you bounce audio, you have to consider the sound tails and allow for the render to capture that audio, unless you're dealing with ableton. Ableton handles the tails a little differently.



Just see what works man, you can always go back and change things if you keep multiple files and are unsure of what to do.
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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 01:00:45 pm »
If I understand what you're asking I tend to bounce dry stems and then route those samples back into their effects. A lot of times before I'm done a song I'll end up with most of the elements bounced for different reasons (one being that it prevents me from spending unnecessary hours tweaking useless parameters in every element)

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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2016, 05:04:54 am »
What are your intentions with the bounced tracks?

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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2016, 06:29:15 pm »
What are your intentions with the bounced tracks?
What (s)he said.

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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 12:03:54 pm »
I prefer to bounce a track dry.. or as dry as possible. I almost always feel the need to tweak it at some point. If you find yourself bouncing a lot to save cpu, try to develop a habit of using return/fx tracks so that when you do bounce something it isn't completely permanent. It leaves room for tweaking among other benefits in processing the effects on certain chains or instruments.

"I ask because i've heard taking the delays and reverbs off may keep it cleaner and less messy, and the synth reverb won't class with your bus reverb."

In many ways this is true; especially when dealing with effects that don't have much eq offerings, or something you'd like to make a tweak on that you can't within the VST itself. This is a minor thing though and if you are still new to things can be more complicated than you need to make it.

This sounds so douchey but it is just something that starts to click at some point and you eventually will discover when it will benefit you more than just placing an effect on the main track. It's a per application thing.

You can still have a per instrument effect if you organize your group properly. You can get a much more rich sound than if you were to just limit yourself to the mixer busses.

Then you can render out that entire group and you have "your sound", and can mix it. If you need to adjust something you can always rerender if you find that the effect balance is to much or to little.
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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2016, 03:57:26 pm »
Just bounce your synth dry first - it'll free up resources + give you one last opportunity to mangle the sound before applying the final FX. When you're ready to finalize the sound, re-bounce the entire chain; FX and all.
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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2016, 08:03:11 pm »
What if you send an aux from the individual drum tracks to another bus, without the kick, with the same comp settings. Send that pre-fader to the reverb and keep the dry bus out of the mix?

I hope it makes sense :s

You just separated bus components then with out certain elements from the drum group.


There's ways to get the routing you want for different group busses.


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Re: Keep FX/Delay/Reverb When Bouncing to Audio or No?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2016, 05:25:46 pm »
If I'm trying to keep a signature Reverb/Delay/Whatever effect on the sound as it's bouncing then sure - I keep the mix wet.
If I can recreate those plugin effects in Protools then I bounce it dry. I sometimes also bounce with automation if it's gonna save me time and it's already done and I'm sure like a 110% about that track lol ..
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