Author Topic: This changed completely my point of view on Cy ma tics fm (in a bad way)  (Read 25184 times)

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Hello guys,
this thread isn't the best introduction for me to this community, but the past events finally made me create an account here, because I see that not many people are aware of this topic and I couldn't find anything on this subject on the internet.
So... I think many of you know a quite new company Cymatics selling sample packs and preset banks. Althought they are fresh in the sample pack market, they've gained massive popularity and growth of their fanbase is exponentially increasing. They are known for outstanding quality of their packs and for a price as high. Me myself I bought their Nightmares pack which is really good, but yesterday or so I read some discussion about their new pack called "Future Bass" and there was a talk about legitimity of Cymatics. I read about stealing samples and not paying sound designers and general as*holeness of the "co-founder" of company, Drew. The discussion was later deleted but I reached one of the guys from discussion and I wanted PROOF. He later sent me screenshots of what has been going on on Cymatics facebook, of course deleted after few hours.
What Cymatics did was sampling (ehm, stealing) elements from famous artists like MUST DIE! and then SELLING them in their overpriced packs without any credits to the original artists. Later some guys brought comparison of MUST DIE snare and Cymatics snare, and Cymatics Drew went rampage and lost control a bit... here are images he sent me:
https://goo.gl/photos/EsKnWYo6bmVY5ZNS7
Then Drew went into something like "you keep talking shit and have less than 200 followers on soundcloud / losers" following into everyone making fun of him and bringing more heat into the discussion: https://goo.gl/photos/8Qvue5uEN9QRuBLW9
I've lost so much respect for them after finding this out, but it is true that I had that gut feeling too - New company emerges from dark, during 6 months they get 30k likes on facebook, release 9 top-notch packs that more expensive than most of industrial standard ones (97$ for Future Bass pack makes it even more expensive than Vengeance) and massive marketing campaign... that stank a bit. I must admit though that they have very good marketing, though their social media pages are heavily censored. I tried on my own that even if I write on their facebook a bit negative comment about the price but in a very polite way and get "likes", they erase it as soon as they see it, no discussion or response from them.
Some of you might say "what the hell, their packs sound good, I will buy them" or "I don't care", but I think buying packs from them is like supporting stealing from good artists that doesn't get paid for their sounds.
Also, not everything they posted about stealing can be true, but at least that stolen snare example is 100% legit.
What do you think?
Also, if you have more proof on this matter I think you can contact guys from screenshots on Facebook and help them do something about it
« Last Edit: August 24, 2017, 01:46:42 am by Mussar »

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OK so they´re being d*cks to the artists, so their whole operation must be a scam, right?
Generalizing on past behavior.

I know that many of you will say "what the hell, their packs sound good, I will buy them" or "I don't care", but I think buying packs from them is like supporting stealing from good artists that doesn't get paid for their sounds.
Generalizing on the members of this forum because of what?  Check your attitude at the door.
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OK so they´re being d*cks to the artists, so their whole operation must be a scam, right?
Generalizing on past behavior.

I know that many of you will say "what the hell, their packs sound good, I will buy them" or "I don't care", but I think buying packs from them is like supporting stealing from good artists that doesn't get paid for their sounds.
Generalizing on the members of this forum because of what?  Check your attitude at the door.
Lol dude, you'd allow somebody to make (big) money by ripping samples from your tracks? I don't think so. I didn't say anything about "scam" - you recieve what you pay for, but unfortunately money don't go to original sound designers it seems, and their defense from these accusations in style of "I make biiig money you suck d*ck" doesn't add much to a credibility of origin of these presets/samples...
I don't know what you have with that "generalizing", I didn't generalize anything... this rant is 3 days old max, I found first negative comments on their page 2 months ago, of course deleted by Cymatics after an hour, so this thing is probably going on for a long time, maybe even since the start of the company, but that's just SPECULATION.
Also, I didn't write anything in terms of judging this community or I didn't came with any general conclusions about members of this forum, how would I? :D Read carefully, I only offered a point of view that somebody CAN give zero f*cks about a stealing of any kind and still buy their products... This all is just my opinion on them, I don't press you to think same about them.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 05:12:59 pm by daimon »

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So essentially that's a Vengeance story all over again...
I get the importance, but it's getting kind of tiresome.
"Earth is round right? Look at it from right angle and you'll be always on top of the world."
...but don't overdo it, because that's called being a d***k.

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So essentially that's a Vengeance story all over again...
I get the importance, but it's getting kind of tiresome.

Haha, yep they just take a lot of samples from tracks too.

Anyway, there are much more big sampling companies out there who if you listen carefully have taken the samples from existing tracks.

There are just a few who really do their own and the quality is much better.

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...aaand that's why I love Wave Alchemy. :)
"Earth is round right? Look at it from right angle and you'll be always on top of the world."
...but don't overdo it, because that's called being a d***k.

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...aaand that's why I love Wave Alchemy. :)

Yep, or black octopus sound, pakotec to name a few. :-)

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I too love both Wave Alchemy and Black Octopus!

That being said, I found the Cymatics stuff to be really killer.. some of the best samples out there really. It's such a shame that they operate this way. And hopefully they sort things out soon. Otherwise, I just don't see myself supporting them anymore, not that it would make a difference to them of course. And besides, there are other companies out there.

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Also, I didn't write anything in terms of judging this community or I didn't came with any general conclusions about members of this forum, how would I? :D Read carefully, I only offered a point of view that somebody CAN give zero f*cks about a stealing of any kind and still buy their products... This all is just my opinion on them, I don't press you to think same about them.

So stating that MANY of the members here would be fine about other people´s work being stolen is not a generalization?  Good to know.  I´m surprised you want to be in a forum where so many are potential thieves or accomplices.
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So stating that MANY of the members here would be fine about other people´s work being stolen is not a generalization?  Good to know.  I´m surprised you want to be in a forum where so many are potential thieves or accomplices.

Omg... sorry that English isn't my native language, I didn't meant it the way you did.
 It was a long post, I forgot to correct and read the end after I wrote it. If I replace it with "some might say", will it make you feel any better? probably not

I'm surprised how you came into this topic and joined "discussion" only to be mad about one word, which you twisted into me thinking this community is/will be stealing, you're absurd. Also, you didn't contribute to this thread in any way, the main topic of this thread wasn't about generalizing or judging the community, if you disagree, you completely missed the point. Just to make sure you understand, I was talking about controversy of selling sounds sampled from other records and way that this company responded. Have a nice day.

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Re: This changed completely my point of view on Cymatics.fm (in a bad way)
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2016, 12:51:54 pm »
I too love both Wave Alchemy and Black Octopus!

That being said, I found the Cymatics stuff to be really killer.. some of the best samples out there really. It's such a shame that they operate this way. And hopefully they sort things out soon. Otherwise, I just don't see myself supporting them anymore, not that it would make a difference to them of course. And besides, there are other companies out there.
I really like some of the Sample Magic packs... their Synthwave pack is a pure gold! Also Capsun have some high-quality packs and Singomakers too, especially Main Room drums are great for some of that more mainstream house songs

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Re: This changed completely my point of view on Cymatics.fm (in a bad way)
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2016, 12:57:54 pm »
I really like some of the Sample Magic packs... their Synthwave pack is a pure gold! Also Capsun have some high-quality packs and Singomakers too, especially Main Room drums are great for some of that more mainstream house songs

Sample Magic, forget to mention them! I own Synthwave 1 and 2, and two other of their packs. They are a great company.

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Re: This changed completely my point of view on Cymatics.fm (in a bad way)
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2016, 01:01:23 pm »
I got some new screenshots from the guy, containing post with names of original samples and the ones included in Cymatics packs. Also with another "funny" reaction from Drew..
https://goo.gl/photos/8TzEMYQDgYM4BXNe6

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Re: This changed completely my point of view on Cymatics.fm (in a bad way)
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2016, 07:46:11 pm »
. If I replace it with "some might say", will it make you feel any better? probably not

Definitely Yes! (funky, sneaky use of small fonts ;) )

It seems like it´s going to go badly for the guys at Cymatics.  It is sort of a sketchy area to call someone out on tho´.  Almost every major producer more or less encourages newbies to sample/borrow/steal drums.  I don´t think it´s OK for this douche to profit from it, but it´s a bit ironic none the less.  Hope they get burned nice and crispy.

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Re: This changed completely my point of view on Cymatics.fm (in a bad way)
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2016, 09:16:10 pm »
. If I replace it with "some might say", will it make you feel any better? probably not

Definitely Yes! (funky, sneaky use of small fonts ;) )

It seems like it´s going to go badly for the guys at Cymatics.  It is sort of a sketchy area to call someone out on tho´.  Almost every major producer more or less encourages newbies to sample/borrow/steal drums.  I don´t think it´s OK for this douche to profit from it, but it´s a bit ironic none the less.  Hope they get burned nice and crispy.
You got it there corrected mate :)
Now back to talk... I'm not naive to think no other company steals from others (I think in one of the ADSR banks for massive I have they forgot to delete original info in the preset file, lol) but these guys are a bit different:
1) They have brilliant marketing - download gates, streams, massive spam, bonuses for early buys of new packs, also censorship
2) The price is insanely high, new pack costs even more than Vengeance, they argument the price by "recommendations of pro artists" (hahaha... ): SMLE(never heard of him): “This preset pack should not be out, its so good! Serum has never sounded so amazing!” or Cymatics: artists told us the price si too low, so we are raising it by 20$ (another great marketing tool)
Sad thing is, that some people fall into the craze and marketing campaign and buy that pack they can barely afford. In their fb group some guy admitted he is in debt now because he wanted the pack so bad and he doesn't even own/have money left for buyin Serum lol (half of the pack for 97$ is suddenly useless). It's his decision and all, still makes me feel a bit sorry for this guy... now I know I won't be spending on them a single penny.