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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2016, 04:18:40 pm »
Richard Caddock streams his music production on Twitch; that's where I've been learning his techniques.
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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 04:43:28 pm »
One thing i've done to get these kinda wavey effects that they do is I sidechain the chords to a kick with a high threshold and slow release (adjust for taste or tempo). I have the kick play at the start of every chord so that every chord has a slow attack and then I record the midi into audio and chop it up to try and get rhythm going using the different transients.

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 06:29:13 pm »
Awesome to get mentioned on here already!  ;D

I bet about 95% of my synth sounds are probably made in Sylenth. I like to keep my sounds simple and clean.

I'd say future bass is definitely more about songwriting than it is about sound design. Like a few people here already mentioned, adding 2nds, 4ths and 7ths to your chords will help give them a bit more depth and emotion (not just for future bass obviously). I tend to use a lot of dissonant harmonies in my chords as well, I think a lot of people aren't used to using those types of harmonies in their chords. My music teacher in high school once asked me to describe a dissonant harmony and I answered "they always sound ugly" and he said "not if you use them in the right way", and that actually completely changed the way I wrote my chords.

Also something I absolutely looooove is using nice clean sounding, slightly detuned saw (most of the time using 2 voices) synth leads for my main melodies or solos. I use an LFO to add vibrato and then I automate the gain to make it sound funkier, I also use a lot of pitch bending and/or portamento as well to give it a bit more depth. To make it sound smoother I always use a nice lowpassed ping pong delay. Highpassing out anything below 120 Hz on the leads always seems to help with that as well.

One little trick I always use is slightly bit crushing the leads to give them a little 'crunch'. If I'm using a bit crusher though, I always lowpass anything above 20K, you might not hear those super high frequencies but your dog might. :( Even if you're not hearing it it might still clean up your mix and bit crushers always add nasty unwanted frequencies.

hi david

I've also learned from you that putting a small but drastic pitch envelope on most synths gives it a nice little punch
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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2016, 07:10:07 pm »
hi david

I've also learned from you that putting a small but drastic pitch envelope on most synths gives it a nice little punch
This is true, and it's something I do, but keep in mind that the envelope needs to be REALLY small otherwise you're gonna have issues putting reverb on your synths.

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 07:22:23 pm »
two things that i was wondering... one being, i saw some tutorials on the popular chord effect and volume shaper was being used in FL Studio.  is there any way to do this same effect in Logic X?

i tried messing with the gain but the parameters are really hard to automate with that.

the effect i'm going for is in this song Grant Bowtie - High Tide at 56 seconds

and also, does anyone have any production techniques to get the similar sound that he uses?

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 10:37:00 pm »
two things that i was wondering... one being, i saw some tutorials on the popular chord effect and volume shaper was being used in FL Studio.  is there any way to do this same effect in Logic X?

i tried messing with the gain but the parameters are really hard to automate with that.

the effect i'm going for is in this song Grant Bowtie - High Tide at 56 seconds

and also, does anyone have any production techniques to get the similar sound that he uses?


I think you can accomplish that sound with just some ADSR and the chords repeated very fast, doesn't sound like too much filter action going on.  I've been working on a high tide remake with my friend and when I get closer i can post it
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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2016, 07:50:41 am »
Awesome to get mentioned on here already!  ;D

I bet about 95% of my synth sounds are probably made in Sylenth. I like to keep my sounds simple and clean.

I'd say future bass is definitely more about songwriting than it is about sound design. Like a few people here already mentioned, adding 2nds, 4ths and 7ths to your chords will help give them a bit more depth and emotion (not just for future bass obviously). I tend to use a lot of dissonant harmonies in my chords as well, I think a lot of people aren't used to using those types of harmonies in their chords. My music teacher in high school once asked me to describe a dissonant harmony and I answered "they always sound ugly" and he said "not if you use them in the right way", and that actually completely changed the way I wrote my chords.

Also something I absolutely looooove is using nice clean sounding, slightly detuned saw (most of the time using 2 voices) synth leads for my main melodies or solos. I use an LFO to add vibrato and then I automate the gain to make it sound funkier, I also use a lot of pitch bending and/or portamento as well to give it a bit more depth. To make it sound smoother I always use a nice lowpassed ping pong delay. Highpassing out anything below 120 Hz on the leads always seems to help with that as well.

One little trick I always use is slightly bit crushing the leads to give them a little 'crunch'. If I'm using a bit crusher though, I always lowpass anything above 20K, you might not hear those super high frequencies but your dog might. :( Even if you're not hearing it it might still clean up your mix and bit crushers always add nasty unwanted frequencies.

Thanks for your help didn't expect an answers from you man! Any other tips? Filters sidechaining, synth layering? How to get nice plucks like in your (A Part Of You) Track?

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2016, 12:11:48 pm »
How do u make chords? Is there any special way to come up with them in future bass?

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2016, 05:07:37 pm »
I think you can accomplish that sound with just some ADSR and the chords repeated very fast, doesn't sound like too much filter action going on.  I've been working on a high tide remake with my friend and when I get closer i can post it

I think you might be pretty hard-pressed to make that with just ADSR. I honestly feel like thats a lot of just manual volume/filter envelopes.

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2016, 05:13:44 pm »
The key in making the movement in the main synths in the drop is Automating the Volume (gain) according to whatever pattern fits best. You can do this manually, or you can also put an LFO on it and then change the rate accordingly so it does not sound stagnant.

Additionally, you can automate the panning on that same synth, I usually do it slightly but with a past pace.

In terms of waveform square waves tend to work best, but feel free to pair with saw or others.

A tip to make it sound bigger is to layer a white noise on top of it, playing the same pattern from the automation mentioned above. This is important, but use it with discretion - it should only be a subtle addition.

All these techniques were used in this track - I can solo the synth/each layer of the synth and go through everything I have done if you guys want!:
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 06:15:41 pm by heyitsguh »

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2016, 06:12:44 pm »

Also something I absolutely looooove is using nice clean sounding, slightly detuned saw (most of the time using 2 voices) synth leads for my main melodies or solos.


I'm eager to try this out because for future bass type sounds I usually think of heavy voice stacking.  Maybe that's just for the chords.  Nonetheless....
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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2016, 01:46:04 am »
The key in making the movement in the main synths in the drop is Automating the Volume (gain) according to whatever pattern fits best. You can do this manually, or you can also put an LFO on it and then change the rate accordingly so it does not sound stagnant.

Additionally, you can automate the panning on that same synth, I usually do it slightly but with a past pace.

In terms of waveform square waves tend to work best, but feel free to pair with saw or others.

A tip to make it sound bigger is to layer a white noise on top of it, playing the same pattern from the automation mentioned above. This is important, but use it with discretion - it should only be a subtle addition.

All these techniques were used in this track - I can solo the synth/each layer of the synth and go through everything I have done if you guys want!:

Wait so is the very subtle white noise I hear on most Future bass chords tracks like this one, give it it dynamic, make it sound sloppy if you will?

https://soundcloud.com/alisonwonderland/iwantyou-ganzflip-cdm

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2016, 04:29:12 am »
Awesome to get mentioned on here already!  ;D

I bet about 95% of my synth sounds are probably made in Sylenth. I like to keep my sounds simple and clean.

I'd say future bass is definitely more about songwriting than it is about sound design. Like a few people here already mentioned, adding 2nds, 4ths and 7ths to your chords will help give them a bit more depth and emotion (not just for future bass obviously). I tend to use a lot of dissonant harmonies in my chords as well, I think a lot of people aren't used to using those types of harmonies in their chords. My music teacher in high school once asked me to describe a dissonant harmony and I answered "they always sound ugly" and he said "not if you use them in the right way", and that actually completely changed the way I wrote my chords.

Also something I absolutely looooove is using nice clean sounding, slightly detuned saw (most of the time using 2 voices) synth leads for my main melodies or solos. I use an LFO to add vibrato and then I automate the gain to make it sound funkier, I also use a lot of pitch bending and/or portamento as well to give it a bit more depth. To make it sound smoother I always use a nice lowpassed ping pong delay. Highpassing out anything below 120 Hz on the leads always seems to help with that as well.

One little trick I always use is slightly bit crushing the leads to give them a little 'crunch'. If I'm using a bit crusher though, I always lowpass anything above 20K, you might not hear those super high frequencies but your dog might. :( Even if you're not hearing it it might still clean up your mix and bit crushers always add nasty unwanted frequencies.

This is some of the most detailed future bass advice I have ever found. Thank you so much!

P.S. You are one of the main reasons I started producing! Thanks for the inspiration!

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2016, 10:34:36 am »
Basing this from what ive tried, to get the saws from flume's tennis court remix, you need really wide chords that have their notes far apart? not really sure on that one. and to get the swells really play around with the amp and/or filter envelopes then automate the attack to get different swelling time ;D


i'm pretty sure they're all just normal triads/7ths?

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Re: Making Future Bass Sounds like WRLD, Flume, Draper, Kasbo etc
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2016, 12:42:12 pm »

Wait so is the very subtle white noise I hear on most Future bass chords tracks like this one, give it it dynamic, make it sound sloppy if you will?

https://soundcloud.com/alisonwonderland/iwantyou-ganzflip-cdm
Exactly!
In this example you can hear the white noise sitting on top perfectly, and you see how its also automated exactly like the synth.
You can also notice that the white noise is occasionally paired with a crash cymbal when the kick hits for extra ooomph.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 01:33:26 pm by heyitsguh »

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