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Some general site feedback
« on: January 28, 2016, 02:38:37 pm »
Dear Mat_Zo:

I was thinking about the website this morning. Let me know if I've got this right:

You started the website because you were reflecting on how feedback and exposure via online forums was enormously helpful to you when you were starting out, but looking around now years later you don't see anything like that--it's all overgrown with BS. So you started a bare-bones forum in order to provide exactly those things to others that were so helpful to you, and to cut out everything else.

Is that right?

If so, I think you've mostly stuck to that mission very well. But in the rush to push out the site, there are a few areas that present risks to that mission. I.e. they are areas where the site could devolve into the type of thing you were trying to avoid. Now that the site is underway and you've got some breathing room, consider some or all of the following:
  • The "creativity/inspiration" section often turns into either navel-gazing pseudo-psychology, or long tangent conversations that likely aren't especially helpful to producers looking to improve their craft.
(I suggest either suspending/locking this section, or moderating it much more closely according to the guideline that all discussion should focus on "actionable information that producers can use to help them create music"; introspective musings and philosophical pondering is best left to other websites or blogs.) And BTW I'm fully aware I'm part of the problem!
  • The "composition/theory" section also has the tendency to wander off-topic a lot.
(It just needs a bit tighter moderation.)
  • Calls to turn TPS into an app will not help young producers starting out. Part of your success was due to the fact that you couldn't take those forums with you everywhere, that you had long stretches away from your computer, and that when you were on the forums, it was in a context where you could quickly switch between those and your DAW.
(Shut down threads calling for an app, maybe pin an announcement to the top of the "suggestions" section saying there will not be one.)
  • Add a section for "music business/branding". A lot of producers on TPS are at that stage where they're ready to transition from their bedroom to a studio/label, just as you once were. They'll need help navigating and surviving in the shark-infested waters of the music industry. This section could contain anything from information about how contracts are structured, to tips on picking a good manager, to information about copyright and fair use, to tips on good DJ names and so on. You'd have to pin an announcement at the top stating in clear terms that nothing in that section is "legal advice" or to be interpreted as such, and that legal advice should instead be sought from experienced professionals licensed to practice in the relevant areas.
(This section would also need tight moderation, particularly to make sure nobody was "giving legal advice".)

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Re: Some general site feedback
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 06:05:08 pm »
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Calls to turn TPS into an app will not help young producers starting out. Part of your success was due to the fact that you couldn't take those forums with you everywhere, that you had long stretches away from your computer, and that when you were on the forums, it was in a context where you could quickly switch between those and your DAW.
(Shut down threads calling for an app, maybe pin an announcement to the top of the "suggestions" section saying there will not be one.)

Holy shit, it wasn't enough for you to comment on my post then you make a whole new one, let the people decide, it was ok when you commented on my post saying why you are against the idea, but making a post again to shut down threads asking for an app, that's too much dude. I don't know why you care too much about it, you just have a dumbphone afterall. Seriously, I think you're taking this too far.

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Re: Some general site feedback
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 09:22:53 pm »
Holy shit, it wasn't enough for you to comment on my post then you make a whole new one, let the people decide, it was ok when you commented on my post saying why you are against the idea, but making a post again to shut down threads asking for an app, that's too much dude. I don't know why you care too much about it, you just have a dumbphone afterall. Seriously, I think you're taking this too far.
Hah, it wasn't personal. Please calm down, and please don't cuss at me; it's extremely rude.

I included this comment about not creating an app in my general feedback suggestions because it fits, and it ties back into the original mission as well as the other suggestions I had. They work as a combined whole, and it wouldn't have been complete if I'd left my comments about the app off on another thread.

Threads asking for "general discussion" have been shut down because a general discussion would detract from the mission of the site, so there's a precedent for shutting down whole topics of suggestion. There was nothing malicious in my arguing this precedent be extended to something you happened to suggest, but I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way.

I care about there not being an app because the way people use the site --and therefore what the site is like-- changes depending on the context of how users access it. (This is a basic principle of software and web usability.) Adding easier mobile access would change the site in a way that compromises the mission. This would impact me as a user of course, but it would also impact you and everyone else.

A lot of technology decisions seem like great ideas, but have negative unintended consequences.

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Re: Some general site feedback
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 02:49:19 pm »
I agree with the issues in putting discussions to rest.  When a suggestion does not catch on, it seems like the mods just pretend that it never existed, hoping that it will go away.  When people are never told no, they tend to nag, nag, nag until they get an answer.  A forum population needs some discipline, and if the makers don´t feel like doing the moderation, then they should ask someone else to do the job(I´m not volunteering).
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Re: Some general site feedback
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2016, 04:43:46 pm »
TL;DR for anyone who is not interested in listening to a troll:


"I don't like this section, so you should get rid of it."

"You don't run this section as well as I want you to, so spend MORE of your time watching it."

"I personally don't like anything that gives people better ways to communicate, so you should PERMANENTLY ban people from being able to ask for it."

"I want to talk about business and marketing even though you explicitly said when creating this site that you are NOT putting in anything about business and marketing, so cater to my wishes."

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Re: Some general site feedback
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2016, 05:52:24 pm »
man spent so much time asking if he could that he forgot to ask if he *should*"
(the above quote is from your own Twitter feed.)

Looks like you already agree with me, but you come on here just to disagree with me and call me slanderous names. There's a word for that kind of behavior...

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Re: Some general site feedback
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2016, 09:34:45 am »
And now we see what happens to suggestions that the mods don´t approve of:  They are just left here to die, with no decision ever being made.

Good to know.
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