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Forcing Yourself To Produce
« on: January 28, 2016, 08:22:01 am »
Does anyone on this board ever feel guilty about not wanting to make music? I just came back from school today (10pm) and I just don't feel like producing. I feel guilty though because I can't get better if I don't at least try to produce so I'm probably gonna force myself after I'm done writing this post. Is this unhealthy do you guys think?

I feel like I should be excited to produce but I just don't feel that way at all. Don't know whether it's because things have become much more challenging lately or whether it's due to something else.

Anyways... what do you guys think? Is it counterproductive to force yourself to write?
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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 08:39:38 am »
Yes I think you should force yourself to produce, but there is a limit. There are also times where you shouldn't make music at all. So subconsciously ideas will grow, and when you make music again after a while, you'll be a lot more productive. Also I have found out for myself, that I can't be productive with a lack of sleep at all..

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 08:46:36 am »
I agree that breaks are definitely needed from time to time. I know it's not gonna kill me if I don't produce tonight but at what point does forcing yourself to produce become negative?
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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 08:51:08 am »
Well, I was in the boat this week. 4 days in a row I forced myself to produce for about 4 hours, and I haven't achieved anything whatsoever. Then I stopped producing for about 3 days. And now today, I feel a lot better now. I have to go to school now, so I haven't produced yet. But I feel that I can be productive now a lot better. I know the thing that makes me feel a lot better now is, that I have gotten a lot more sleep now.

So I'd say, when you force yourself for multiple days and you still reach nothing, it's time to have a small break.

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 09:19:14 am »
To me, music is a hobby. If I would force myself, it wouldn't feel fun anymore.

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 10:14:08 am »
Yeah, I struggle to find this line too. Sometimes I don't need any forcing, but quite often, after tough day, I also don't feel like producing. In that case I don't know if I force myself too much or not enough. I'm really interested in how you guys find this balance.

...but I have a strange feeling that this might heavily depend on how busy you get outside of producing. Work, school etc.
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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 10:43:14 am »
its alright man, take it one day at a time

its challenging man but you have to push through, try not get distracted, focus on the daw

i think producing is linked with confidence, so maybe you should go and learn some technical stuff, watch some youtube videos on melodies, sidechaining, arranging, Eqing, get a subscription to computer music magazine, watch your favourite producers talk about their music

try produce on a consistent basis and then increase the intensity when you get momentum

spit out the ideas and do whatever it takes

try and have fun, learn stuff, you start to impress yourself

theres a reason why the best producers make the best tracks

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 12:59:00 pm »
I've encountered that situation many times before. I would just start producing, and few minutes later, it would be fun.

Even if you don't feel like producing, when you start it, you won't feel like that anymore.

Have fun making music!  ;)

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 04:26:12 pm »
Spring semester of college just started again, so I'm busy as fuck now, and I definitely do see where you're coming from.

For example my typical Tuesday

8:30-9:50am - class
10-5pm - work
5:30-7pm - gym
8-10pm- produce
10-11:30pm - Fraternity meeting
12- 2 or 3am - produce

Monday/Wednesday I have class for about five hours, then I go to the gym, and then produce.

Now you see, I forced myself to produce those hours on Tuesday. What I found out was that I wasn't producing from passion, I was forcing myself to produce - to produce a track to work in a way that it wasn't. What do I mean by that though?

I had this stupid fucking idea and drum arrangement that I was so determined to get to work in my track.. and quite honestly it wasn't working. I played with it for fucking hours.. and I realized I was trying to force this idea and got so stubborn with that exact arrangement only to the point where it wasn't musical passion.

Maybe I was over tired, stressed because I wasn't able to convey ideas from my head to my DAW (this is something I think defines really good producers), or whatever it was.
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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2016, 04:50:16 pm »
I just came back from school today (10pm) and I just don't feel like producing.
So don't.

I feel guilty
Why? You don't owe anything to Music and vice versa.

so I'm probably gonna force myself after I'm done writing this post. Is this unhealthy do you guys think?
It's not that it's unhealthy, it's just weird. Weird that you would force yourself like that.

I feel like I should be excited to produce but I just don't feel that way at all.
Ok, so you don't have to produce if you don't want to. If you don't feel excited to produce, then don't. It's all very simple. But it sounds to me like you're trying to expedite your 10,000 hours of practice... producing every single day whether you like it or not. This is a lesson in patience, my friend.

Is it counterproductive to force yourself to write?
I don't think it's counter-productive. But I'm sure as heck that anything you do as a result of being/feeling forced to do it will sound exactly like that.

Always remember that when it comes to Art, the Muse comes to you, not the other way around. So when the Muse does come around, make a shit ton of music for as long as the Muse is with you because days like that do not come every day, as you might already know.

But just a little tip, since you asked. If you want to get into the habit of being able to produce every single day, start smaller.. force yourself to open up your DAW every single day. Gradually this will become a habit... opening up your DAW every single day. Eventually you'll reach a point where after you've opened up your DAW, you start writing some music, not out of force but out of habit. Then you will build the habit of making music every single day, which I think is what you're trying to achieve.

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 05:54:50 pm »
If you have to force yourself to produce music, there are a few questions you should ask yourself.

1. Why do I want to make music?
2. Who am I doing this for, myself or others?
3. Is this something I really want to be doing with my time and/or the rest of my life?
4. What do I want to get out of making music?
5. Do I want to put in the amount of effort and work required to make music?

If you're struggling to answer any of those questions, you probably shouldn't be thinking about producing until you can write down your answers. Either you'll figure them out and have redoubled your commitment which will help motivate you to push through, or you'll realize that you're trying to force yourself to do something that you don't actually want to do, and you should look for what can answer those questions.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with just being a hobbyist producer who picks up his DAW when he's bored, makes a couple of loops, dicks around with some sound design, and puts it back down to go about his normal life. Make sure you're not trying to make this into something it isn't, and that might remove the sort of negative emotional attachment that keeps you from wanting to produce.

If you can answer all those questions, and you're still struggling to wanna sit down and write some tunes, then you're deep in the throes of Resistance. Go read The War of Art and/or Turning Pro by Steven Pressfield. Those books completely changed my life as a musician and an artist, and I couldn't recommend them enough to anyone who is interested in getting serious about any artistic endeavor.

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2016, 06:06:20 pm »
If you have to force yourself to produce music, there are a few questions you should ask yourself.
Yeah, I was severely bugged by the word 'force' too  ???

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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2016, 06:36:50 pm »
When i was working 14+hours a day most days, i didn't really feel like doing any thing besides smoking weed and playing video games. I got some work done on my day(s) off, but that was mostly spent hating life and smoking more weed and playing more video games.

It's tough to find a balance to be able to do the things you want to do. And unless you have a situation (or environment) that allows you to do this sort of thing with out much "pressure", then you'll have to work towards any thing to get to where you want to be, in order to do the music deal.

It's a hustle, and it's hard work. During the semester I work on music sparingly as well as what my releases are. This is also forcing me to spend more time on my tracks from creation, mixing, bedroom mastering.

It's a weird combination of things that are hard to describe, but you shouldn't have to force yourself to produce. That just actually might be the want to produce, but your body just isn't going to have it. Listen to that sign, and come back when you're ready. other wise it's just going to be not an efficient process.

Just be aware, i'd also suggest writing in a journal if you have these ideas that just need to come out. I don't do that for music specifically, but i do write things down all the time.
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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2016, 08:53:35 am »
When i was working 14+hours a day most days, i didn't really feel like doing any thing besides smoking weed and playing video games. I got some work done on my day(s) off, but that was mostly spent hating life and smoking more weed and playing more video games.
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That just actually might be the want to produce, but your body just isn't going to have it. Listen to that sign, and come back when you're ready. other wise it's just going to be not an efficient process.
When I think about it, that might just be exactly what's happening to me at the moment. ...kinda makes me think about switching a job for something not that time consuming. ???
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Re: Forcing Yourself To Produce
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2016, 06:33:57 pm »
When i was working 14+hours a day most days, i didn't really feel like doing any thing besides smoking weed and playing video games. I got some work done on my day(s) off, but that was mostly spent hating life and smoking more weed and playing more video games.
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That just actually might be the want to produce, but your body just isn't going to have it. Listen to that sign, and come back when you're ready. other wise it's just going to be not an efficient process.
When I think about it, that might just be exactly what's happening to me at the moment. ...kinda makes me think about switching a job for something not that time consuming. ???

It's always going to be time consuming dude. If you're in school, finish school. But if you're working and not going to school, you're going to have to make aims to create the time for making music.

You have to work how ever many hours to pay for your basic needs. But you can choose a job that allows you to be more efficient with your time spent at work.

Less hours more pay (usually comes with a college education in certain fields), or try to negotiate a pay raise (maybe more responsibility but it also could be with another job).

You have to seek more compensation for your time spent at work, but that usually require more sacrifice or skills.

either that, or you just need to look into your health. You may have time, but there's other external factors you may not be considering.
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