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Snares
« on: January 24, 2016, 07:56:50 am »
It would be cool to hear from people how they approach snares, i.e. do you use samples, or do you synthesize them?

If you use samples, what are your go-to libraries?

If you synthesize, do you have any tips to share? I started digging into snare synthesis, and found this great recent tutorial by SeamlessR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A7oFpmXuls. The basic idea for snare synthesis is pretty simple, but what really makes the sound is adding reverb in the different components, and glueing them together with compression. I also noticed that it's easy to make your snares more interesting by creating any kind of "metallic" sound (e.g. some of the stock wavetables in Serum), band-passing, and setting the envelope so that it gives a nice metallic "ring".

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Re: Snares
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2016, 02:35:12 pm »
I've found myself pretty much entirely using samples, occasionally from sample CDs but more often sampled from other records. As far as that goes, good sources depend a lot on what kind of music you're making.

I know there are some good sample CDs out there these days but I don't know shit about them.. probably need somebody else to chip in on that one.

One of my favourite snares is this one. SO good for layering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YADBm1ppbho
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Re: Snares
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2016, 04:53:23 pm »
I always use a combination of layered synthesized snares and samples. The synth snare provides more body to sample, as long as you match the pitch envelopes with the pitch modulation of the sample, which requires some practice.

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Re: Snares
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2016, 06:27:32 pm »
I usually layer a synthesized one with an overhead snare and then go through my foley stuff and add that in there too. I really like the snares that Cymatics has been putting out recently, whether it's the general EDM ones, the Dubstep ones, or what have you. I used to use Vengeance packs a lot, but I've grown a bit bored of them.

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Re: Snares
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2016, 06:58:58 pm »
A snare tail can be anything you want really ..Just make sure the short transient bite the way you want.FM synths are great for making transients .

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Re: Snares
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2016, 01:51:25 pm »
MOSTLY MY SNARES ARE 2 SAMPLES COMBINED , I ALSO LIKE TO PUT ONE CLAP THAT HAS SMALL AMOUNT OF PING PONG DELAY ON TOP
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Re: Snares
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2016, 03:15:56 pm »
Few snares. but the foundation is always the same.

1.808 (bottom end), mixed to taste
2.acoustic snare, mixed to taste
3. acoustic snare modeler, because i use reason i can do this.

after that it depends on the sound. I eq all the layers and mix it all together. if i want more electronic sound i put more 808, but if i want more natural i put more acoustic snare. Once i get something i like, i sample it and then put it in one instance of my drum machine (kong).

Then it's just a mixing game from there.
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Re: Snares
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2016, 04:33:09 pm »
My snares are usually layers of a few different samples. Most of the time it's a punchy transient in the low end, a clap in the mids, and white noise or a hi-hat on top!

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Re: Snares
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2016, 06:24:52 pm »
I have only ever used samples. It's just easier for me at my amateur level, and I can scroll through hundreds at a time to find the right one(s).

Sometimes I layer different snares depending on what fits my mix, and sometimes I only use a single sample.


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Re: Snares
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2016, 06:45:28 pm »
I spent hours one day going through all my sample packs and made racks for Kicks, Snares, Claps, ect. I realized that I kept using certain ones and so I simplified my process. So I now have all those racks on my template ready to do.

I've tried using just different drum racks in ableton, but can't seem to get them to sound that great yet.
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Re: Snares
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2016, 07:47:50 pm »
I'm a sample pack guy all day. I didn't go to school for sound design so I'm not going to try and reinvent the wheel when ASDR and Loopmasters are paying people to produce samples.

That being said I'm usually adding some kind of layer to a snare, whether its a clap and a snare or a couple snares and a tuned drum. It really depends on the song. I feel like the mainstream dubstep guys are the biggest snare people since they always have snares that are mega loud and hit like 4 different frequencies very hard, but honestly that sound is becoming super dated. I feel like its taken 4 years for everyone to catch up and figure out how to sound like skrillex and now that they do the entire dubstep scene is saturated with a bunch of barking bass bouncy dub tunes that sound identical...erm..

so anyway, I approach snares in 3 steps

1. Whats the main transient? the slap. the actual stick hitting the skin of the drum. I'll dig for a snare with an attack that I like and start there.

2. Whats the key of the song? If the snare I like has good high end but when I tune it to hit in key with the song it loses character, I'll wash out everything I don't need with a hard 4x high pass eq in ableton and I'll add a waveform at the right frequency with a pitch dive. So a simple sin wave hitting in key anywhere from 200 to 1khz and i'll give it at least an octave of dive with fast attack that matches my top layer. I'll pass this around where I pass my slap layer so it doesnt sound like a computer bleep but gives nice punch to the drum.

3. how much snare do i need? If i need the snare to have a long tail I'll find a clap with a big reverb tail and take the highest frequencies of that and layer it on top. So maybe filter everything below 10k, for example, keeping just the white noise aspect of the reverb.

Once all these layers are sounding like they are at the right levels i'll group the 3 audio tracks and compress them with the multiband compressor ableton has to make sure i'm squeezing it together but allowing for certain frequencies to breathe a little. I'll record that to audio and use the sample.

Also, if necessary I'll put a low pass reverb on the midi track i'm usuing for punch and add that in sparingly during the recording process to give it more of a live drum feel. too much reverb in the middle register will make the mix a nightmare though so its usually super quick decay with zero lag and tiny room size. looking to recreate reverb within a drum, not a cathedral, afterall.

Finally - if your snare doesn't stand out in the mix I don't think its an issue of volume or reverb. Adding a fuck ton of reverb to a snare will just give it so much presence that any limiting you do on a master will squash your other sounds. If your snare sucks you either haven't left enough room for it or you need to start from scratch with a new sample. I'm a firm believer that the less reverb used the better. I'll use reverb before compressors on individual sounds to give wideness and unique characteristics and all that but I NEVER use a reverb buss or slap reverb on top of my synth or drum buss or something. Reverb is good for mashing all your sounds together and making them cooler when your track sucks, a good track that's almost bone dry will sound infinitely better on a big system than one that's dripping in reverb. Reverb also kills your headroom.

I hate reverb.

snares are cool though.

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Re: Snares
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2016, 10:27:31 pm »
I primarily use/layer samples, unless I'm using a dedicated drum synth, like Drumazon, Nepheton, Tremor, etc.  I never use a regular synth to synthesize my own snares or other drums - not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that my own tendency is to avoid reinventing the wheel.
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Re: Snares
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2016, 12:15:13 pm »
150 Hz is my must have fundamental, my secret is FL Studio`s Snare Basic.wav because my goal is to have Madeon-like snares and it`s actually made by him.
Some noisy sample, Snare Basic.wav is fine haha, I use transient shaper to give it more sustain
A smacky, snappy snare for the attack part.
Some random french sounding snares
Voila!

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Re: Snares
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2016, 03:13:31 pm »
150 Hz is my must have fundamental, my secret is FL Studio`s Snare Basic.wav because my goal is to have Madeon-like snares and it`s actually made by him.
Some noisy sample, Snare Basic.wav is fine haha, I use transient shaper to give it more sustain
A smacky, snappy snare for the attack part.
Some random french sounding snares
Voila!
I noticed you make mostly discoish housy stuff, are you using four on the floor style kick patterns or alternating 1/3 kick and 2/4 snare? 150hz is kick drum territory which usually leads me to filter a snare that hits in that region to make life easier when mixing (since 99.99% of ears can't discern the difference anyway). I always assumed people making that style of music did the same thing but maybe the snare and the kick have such similar properties that you just use an alternating drum rhythm letting the snare do the work on the 2 and 4? I'm always interested in how other people go about their business.

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Re: Snares
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2016, 07:31:42 pm »