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Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« on: January 06, 2016, 04:54:23 am »
Recently I was fortunate enough to borrow the matching subwoofer to my Focal CMS 65s. The CMS Sub took about 3 days to get used to and my mixes improved drastically in my non treated studio room. I believe it adds depth to the mix and really lets my monitors shine with the high pass at 90 hertz.

Another important factor is I have heard the cheaper KRK subs before at friends studios and they seem to have a very hard time switching between low notes which I think could actually make it harder on a mix down.

My experience with the sub for about two weeks and now listening to the 65s without the sub is kinda meh. I will definetly be purchasing the CMS Sub and using it for all my mix downs.

What are your thoughts?

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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 05:14:01 am »
It's definitely better to mix with a sub if there's one available. I don't know of many studio monitors that go below about 50 hz

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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 06:15:04 am »
Sub always > No Sub.

That being said, I live in a 450 sq ft. studio in a building that has quiet hours - So I've been considering getting a SubPac. Anyone have experience with one?

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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 06:33:49 am »
Sub always > No Sub.

That being said, I live in a 450 sq ft. studio in a building that has quiet hours - So I've been considering getting a SubPac. Anyone have experience with one?

i'd also like to know if anyone here uses the subpac. i've been considering one for a while but i can't go demo one so i'm kinda weary. it seems a little gimmicky to me

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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2016, 05:39:36 pm »
So I've been considering getting a SubPac. Anyone have experience with one?

I own the S2. It is an amazing piece of equipment the Subpac. You're able to accurately tell what notes are hitting where, and whether there are things in the low end of your mix that are clashing. So important for getting a tight low end.

Unless you have a properly treated or well-sized room, I'd actually highly recommend this over an actual subwoofer.
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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2016, 03:32:05 pm »
I was also on the fence for a long time about the SubPac and kept my eyes on them waiting for the second iteration knowing they would have some improvements.
I have had a SubPac m2 since the middle of December and it has greatly improved my mix downs. It has also helped me back off from adding too much to the mix. With the SubPac, less is more. I have found it better translates onto other systems as well which I was pleasantly surprised about.

I would highly recommend one. A sub is always nice but there is something quite extra-ordinary about having it on your back and feeling it through your chest. Unlike anything I have felt/experienced before. Youll find yourself going for longer walks because you get so sucked in. Well worth the money and a fantastic addition to any studio set-up.

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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2016, 11:05:43 pm »
It's definitely better to mix with a sub if there's one available. I don't know of many studio monitors that go below about 50 hz

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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2016, 07:50:25 pm »
I bought the Yamaha HS10W Sub to go with my Yamaha HS50's and it is so worth spending the extra money to get the sub. especially with bass heavy music its important to get a really accurate monitor of the low's.

Be careful tho, I've pissed off my roommates and neighbors  way too many times haha.

as for the sub pac thing. ive never tried one but its been getting a ton of wicked review from big artists.
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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2016, 09:09:29 pm »
I also have the Yamaha HS10W sub that I use with my Yamaha HS80Ms and JBL LSR305s.  They're all connected through my Drawmer MC2.1 controller, so I switch between the monitors and engage/disengage the sub at the click of a button.  I do most of my mixing with the sub engaged, but I like to check my mixes and compare them to reference tracks with and without the sub because sometimes the sub masks issues in the low mids, near the crossover point, etc.
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Re: Mixing and Mastering with a Sub vs Without
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2016, 11:49:02 pm »
If you get speakers that can replicate the sub sound, with a treated room, and headphones with good bass response (or any other tool to help  you feel ie sub pac) you can get a good understanding of where the sub lies.

I spoke with Crizzly, who happens to be an old high school friend, a few months ago and i asked him about the same thing. He said that he ended up just mixing with out a sub most of the time because of how much of the replication he gets out of it. It's a little over bearing at times, but a good indicator of the feeling.

I also read up on a few articles about how having one sub bass in your room can actually make things worse if you're not careful about how the room is treated. this is due to some phase issues i believe. One way to eliminate this by having two sub woofers on either corner of your room (if square) to eliminate the issues that a a single woofer may cause.

Another tip i read waaaaaaay back when i first started, comes from a sub focus tutorial i think. He said, you can get a good indication of feeling by putting your hand over the woofer of the speaker and just feeling the sub. I use this technique a few times on my yamaha hs8's.

Now, i have my mixes go through the round table of my production circle to see if i missed any thing. typically they don't have any thing to say negative about my mixes, which is good and bad lol. But the point is, you don't really need a sub, and in fact getting one with out proper calibration could just make it more of a pain than what it's about.
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